less than half give a shit and less than half see him as one. Just because your echo chambers do does not make it so
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I can almost assure you that there will not be an appeal filed by the Crown.
lecoqsportif
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Hockey Canada’s sexual assault slush fund coming to light didn’t help matters.
They handled this issue very badly.
if they do it will just be for show and will be unsuccessful given our SCC has said that trial judge discretion re credibility is not to be set aside easily given they watched the witnesses, heard the evidence etc
the trial was politically based, EM didn't want it but after Trudeau, St Onge and others chimed in, no way the Crown was not going to proceed. I feel badly for EM she had to go through a trial only to have a judge basically call her a liar.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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The trial was based on evidence of gang rape and of the existence of a secret slush fund that would not have needed to exist if player-rapists didn't already exist.
The existence of that slush fund is the smoking gun that proves there are crimes being committed which Hockey Canada wanted to cover up rather than deal with.
When we talk about hockey culture being toxic, this is what we mean. If I'm running HC and one of my players rapes someone, I don't scratch out a cheque to the victim as a quid pro quo for her silence. I call the cops and let the legal system throw the book at him. And then I tell the other players that if they dont toe the line that they too will be cut loose by HC and left to the mercy of the justice system. I dont care how good they are at sportsing. If they break the law they can expect to be turned in and punished.
Hockey Canada covered up approximately 15 incidents of sexual assault from 1989 until this latest incident. That's a culture problem. That is a culture that says "Do whatever you want and we'll make sure there are no consequences for you to pay because hockey". And because of this laissez-faire, slack-assed approach to illegality, Hockey Canada needed to establish a hush money fund because the raping continued. They could have put a stop to it but instead they encouraged it to continue. That is a toxic culture. Hockey Canada should have been ripped apart and scattered to the four winds after this debacle.
The existence of that slush fund is the smoking gun that proves there are crimes being committed which Hockey Canada wanted to cover up rather than deal with.
When we talk about hockey culture being toxic, this is what we mean. If I'm running HC and one of my players rapes someone, I don't scratch out a cheque to the victim as a quid pro quo for her silence. I call the cops and let the legal system throw the book at him. And then I tell the other players that if they dont toe the line that they too will be cut loose by HC and left to the mercy of the justice system. I dont care how good they are at sportsing. If they break the law they can expect to be turned in and punished.
Hockey Canada covered up approximately 15 incidents of sexual assault from 1989 until this latest incident. That's a culture problem. That is a culture that says "Do whatever you want and we'll make sure there are no consequences for you to pay because hockey". And because of this laissez-faire, slack-assed approach to illegality, Hockey Canada needed to establish a hush money fund because the raping continued. They could have put a stop to it but instead they encouraged it to continue. That is a toxic culture. Hockey Canada should have been ripped apart and scattered to the four winds after this debacle.
She determined the claimant to not be a credible witness. End of story.
exactly, but only those of us who understand law will get it
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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I get it from the legal side but like I keep telling you, the public doesn't give a shit. They KNOW these players did it. The burden of proof in the Court of Public Opinion is a lot lower than in criminal court and when we're talking about people in the public eye like pro athletes, the verdict of the "COPO" is the only verdict that matters and in that court, these guys are guilty and there will be consequences for them to pay.
lecoqsportif
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I dunno about the decision to press charges, but Hockey Canada still f@cked up. They were evasive and dismissive (which probably didn’t do the 5 players any favours). But HC was accountable for the millions of $ they get from the government, and I doubt “secret sexual assault slush fund” was part of the deal.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Exactly. And without a toxic culture, such a fund would never need to exist in the first place. Every dollar of that slush fund represents a moral and ethical failure on Hockey Canada's part.
Excellent post
lecoqsportif
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As far as the trial is concerned, the players are not guilty. End of story. Burden of proof not met, and an unreliable plaintiff.
But Hockey Canada was remarkably feckless and incompetent.
But Hockey Canada was remarkably feckless and incompetent.
most government agencies are,,,
Lord knows I dealt with enough local hockey organizations to know that the ones running them usually aren't fit to run a lemonade stand.
I know one of the new board members and his son played house most of his life, and he only is on the board because he is metis, no other real hockey qualifications
lecoqsportif
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It’s not a government agency.
govt dependent
Lord knows, the forms I had to fill out for Hockey Canada were very governmentesque. BC Hockey was a little easier to deal with but not much
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Beyond mere incompetence. There was a conscious effort on their part to cover up what they knew was a crime. Their conduct proves the players' guilt. If the players didn't do anything illegal there'd have been no need for a cover up.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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It shouldn't be government anything. No government money should be needed to support the game of hockey. Not in this country at least. Let the people who want it pay for it. Hockey isnt an essential service.
Wrong and extremely elitist as only the well off could play, even the house league you played
the health of youth is important and should be funded by government, certainly more than funding lesbian studies in Ethiopia or whatever other shit our governments fund overseas.
the health of youth is important and should be funded by government, certainly more than funding lesbian studies in Ethiopia or whatever other shit our governments fund overseas.