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Advanced Stats Thread

leafman101 said:
And for the record, Money Ball was about finding overlooked value in stats and exploiting it. Not reducing evaluation of data down to one subset as the end all and be all of the sport. Somehow that lost its way into the "stats revolution" in hockey.

In baseball, where the statisticians are far more advanced, they realized that such a data set does not exist.
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Nobody has claimed there is one magical stat in which to judge players.

But the more good ones we have, the easier it is to piece together the real value of a player.
 
McClement's big problem is usage. He just isn't used a lot at even strength. Until he plays a top 9 role consistently, you can't rank him with the very best imo.
 
I agree. McClement is a limited player. But he's a pretty useable, even valuable, defensive player. He plays the PK. He allows you to give your 4th line a regular shift. He can move up on the wing if needed.

He's just a really smart, solid, dependable player that teams need. Just not a very talented one.
 
I think we're saying the same thing then. I agree, he's a useful 4th liner, with good PK ability. And he's paid in line with what he provides.

I was debating the validity of him being a legit Selke candidate.
 
On a different note, I was reading now that at least a couple teams have recognized the undervaluing of Russians, and they are focusing more attention there.

That's one way to exploit the system.
 
Interview with David Conte:

Gregor: How much, if any, has advanced stats entered into your scouting reports?



Conte: We talk a lot about it, the Moneyball theory and everything else, and I don’t think that the hockey playing public is a big a sample as all of that. It is totally relevant, clearly it is relevant, and clearly there are some trends. If you’re going to invest your picks and your money into high-level young talent, there should be some substantiation via productivity and height and weights and various factors, but the real factor is watching them play. It comes down to “Do you want them on the team or you don’t want them on the team?”
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Later, on that nebulous issue of “character,” Conte said:





“Players that play under pressure, players that elevate their games in the most important situations, players that work the clock and the score and they play for the team, I think those are things that are trademarks of players that have survived and prospered with the Devils.”
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http://yoursports-1.blogspot.ca/2013/06/advanced-stats-vs-old-school-scouting.html
 
New Jersey has been a pretty poor drafting team for a long time, so I'm not sure how much stock I would put in Conte's position.
 
Washington has done a terrific job drafting. Grabbing high end forwards, dmen, goalies, from all parts of the 1st round.

They place a lot of emphasis on skill, at all the positions.
 
Some of the better players they've drafted from 02-09:

A. Ovechkin (1)
A. Backstrom (4)
K. Alzner (5)
S. Eminger (12)
A. Semin (13)
B. Gordon (17)
E. Fehr (18)
S. Varlamov (23)
M. Johansson (24)
J. Carlson (27)
J. Shultz (27)
M. Green (28)
M. Neuvirth (34)
B. Holtby (93)
 
The Devils haven't won a Stanley Cup in a decade, and it was during the height of the trapping/obstruction era that they implemented, so I fail to see the efficacy of that comparison.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
The Devils haven't won a Stanley Cup in a decade, and it was during the height of the trapping/obstruction era that they implemented, so I fail to see the efficacy of that comparison.
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They did make a surprising run to the Cup finals a year ago though while the Capitals have been a consistent playoff choker.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Some of the better players they've drafted from 02-09:

A. Ovechkin (1)
A. Backstrom (4)
K. Alzner (5)
S. Eminger (12)
A. Semin (13)
B. Gordon (17)
E. Fehr (18)
S. Varlamov (23)
M. Johansson (24)
J. Carlson (27)
J. Shultz (27)
M. Green (28)
M. Neuvirth (34)
B. Holtby (93)
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Very Senators-esque.

No cups to show for it, either.
 
Sens aren't close to the Caps, in terms of the draft, at least over that time period.

Sens haven't done a very good job of developing 1st line / 1st pairing talent beyond Karlsson.
 
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