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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

Would be interesting to see how Drai does when he's THE guy. How much of his MVP level production does he owe to:
-playing with McCandless
-getting easier matchups (I assume?) when away from McD?
-the magic that has been the Oilers powerplay

I'm sure there are advanced stats that explain all of this. I guess I'll never know.
 
CH1 said:
It makes zero sense either team
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Not necessarily. If Edmonton rapes you for all your good young assets, like say that package includes Caufield, Guhle, and a 1st, if that all goes to Edmonton and McDavid sticks around for the next 3 years, that might improve them enough, and with a real goalie, who knows.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
All kidding aside, how do you feel about the state of your team and its rebuild?
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It’s pretty boring when your lotto win doesn’t involve a Matthews or a Bedard.

I think the GM is smart but this is the easy part of the gig — selling vets and renting cap space for futures.

Ultimately, like Zeke said, he’s going to need to figure out a way to acquire a top shelf point producer

Until then, HabLife involves paying attention to how the kids are playing and waiting for trade deadline week and draft weekend.

Interested to see what happens to Monahan (and to a lesser extent Tanner Pearson) at the deadline
 
zeke said:
I think the Habs have a nice chunk of young talent.
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Do they actually though? Suzuki and Caufield are obviously solid but they're not that young really. At 24 & and 23 our kids were well into multiple disappointing trips to the playoffs in a row, not still mid tank. Slaf might not be full bust yet, but he's not a future star of any sorts either. Guhle looks really nice as well, might be a top pairing guy in the making. Throw in Hutson and Josh Roy as probable impact players currently outside of the NHL roster and that's kind of it imo. Everything else is ordinary stuff every system has. Is Dach actually good? Not fine on a bad team but actually good?

So yeah, it's not a talent wasteland, but once you give up 2-3 of that top 5 talents in their system for Leon, it's Leon, the 160 pound defender and Slaf left.

They need to tank for a few more years and keep making those Dach/Newhook type moves.
 
CH1 said:
It’s pretty boring when your lotto win doesn’t involve a Matthews or a Bedard.
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Sure, but you don't do yourself any favours when you turn those non Matthews high picks into Slaf's, Kotkaniemi's, and Reinbacher's instead of Marner, Willy, and Rielly either.
 
MindzEye said:
Do they actually though? Suzuki and Caufield are obviously solid but they're not that young really. At 24 & and 23 our kids were well into multiple disappointing trips to the playoffs in a row, not still mid tank. Slaf might not be full bust yet, but he's not a future star of any sorts either. Guhle looks really nice as well, might be a top pairing guy in the making. Throw in Hutson and Josh Roy as probable impact players currently outside of the NHL roster and that's kind of it imo. Everything else is ordinary stuff every system has. Is Dach actually good? Not fine on a bad team but actually good?

So yeah, it's not a talent wasteland, but once you give up 2-3 of that top 5 talents in their system for Leon, it's Leon, the 160 pound defender and Slaf left.

They need to tank for a few more years and keep making those Dach/Newhook type moves.
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I like all these guys somewhat:

C Suzuki, W Caufield, C Dach, W Slafkovsky
D Guhle, D Barron, D Harris, D Xhekaj

and I'm assuming they must have some good prospects beyond that.
 
zeke said:
I like all these guys somewhat:

C Suzuki, W Caufield, C Dach, W Slafkovsky
D Guhle, D Barron, D Harris, D Xhekaj

and I'm assuming they must have some good prospects beyond that.
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It's an okayish group of young talent. But as soon as you subtract 2-3 of the best of the bunch and add 28 yr old Leon, it becomes a deeply uninspiring group of young talent led by a power play merchant 5v5 goal suck without the best setup man on the planet to feed him gimme's anymore.
 
MindzEye said:
Sure, but you don't do yourself any favours when you turn those non Matthews high picks into Slaf's, Kotkaniemi's, and Reinbacher's instead of Marner, Willy, and Rielly either.
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KK is previous regime
SLAF is a little befuddling— they billed him as a massive project yet they play him in the NHL
Reinbacher —- unhappy they went D when that position will be overly represented in the first round of the upcoming draft

So yeah, I’d be less bored if Slaf was using his tools in junior and Michkov was in the fold (killing it in the KHL at 18)
 
MindzEye said:
Do they actually though? Suzuki and Caufield are obviously solid but they're not that young really. At 24 & and 23 our kids were well into multiple disappointing trips to the playoffs in a row, not still mid tank. Slaf might not be full bust yet, but he's not a future star of any sorts either. Guhle looks really nice as well, might be a top pairing guy in the making. Throw in Hutson and Josh Roy as probable impact players currently outside of the NHL roster and that's kind of it imo. Everything else is ordinary stuff every system has. Is Dach actually good? Not fine on a bad team but actually good?

So yeah, it's not a talent wasteland, but once you give up 2-3 of that top 5 talents in their system for Leon, it's Leon, the 160 pound defender and Slaf left.

They need to tank for a few more years and keep making those Dach/Newhook type moves.
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If everything goes right we might get back to a Pleks, maxpac, subban, Markov, price level core

So give me Leon
 
zeke said:
I like all these guys somewhat:

C Suzuki, W Caufield, C Dach, W Slafkovsky
D Guhle, D Barron, D Harris, D Xhekaj

and I'm assuming they must have some good prospects beyond that.
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Hutson. Small Dman. Probably boom or bust.
Roy. Decent middle 6 winger imo.
 
MindzEye said:
Do they actually though? Suzuki and Caufield are obviously solid but they're not that young really. At 24 & and 23 our kids were well into multiple disappointing trips to the playoffs in a row, not still mid tank. Slaf might not be full bust yet, but he's not a future star of any sorts either. Guhle looks really nice as well, might be a top pairing guy in the making. Throw in Hutson and Josh Roy as probable impact players currently outside of the NHL roster and that's kind of it imo. Everything else is ordinary stuff every system has. Is Dach actually good? Not fine on a bad team but actually good?

So yeah, it's not a talent wasteland, but once you give up 2-3 of that top 5 talents in their system for Leon, it's Leon, the 160 pound defender and Slaf left.

They need to tank for a few more years and keep making those Dach/Newhook type moves.
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Agree with everything… except Lane Hutson weighs 162lbs (not 160)
 
worm said:
Hutson. Small Dman. Probably boom or bust.
Roy. Decent middle 6 winger imo.
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D looks good besides Hutson
Mailloux is showing good offense in his first taste of pro hockey and Reinbacher should be solid
 
worm said:
If everything goes right we might get back to a Pleks, maxpac, subban, Markov, price level core

So give me Leon
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The mistake with that era was what you did with the players when you had them. You reupped the 30 yr old goalie for all the years and all the money, traded for the 30+ yr old #1 defender, etc.

Had you traded Price when you should have (a year before his contract was up when his agent said "10.5" and wasn't joking). Should have traded Subban for whatever the best young player you could have gotten at the time for him, never traded Markov, or waited too long to trade Plecs.

Only having a good team is fine, you just can't fall in love with it. I'm not suggesting you fall in love with this group either, but 28 yr old soon to be 13 million dollar Leon isn't the droid you're looking for.
 
MindzEye said:
The mistake with that era was what you did with the players when you had them. You reupped the 30 yr old goalie for all the years and all the money, traded for the 30+ yr old #1 defender, etc.

Had you traded Price when you should have (a year before his contract was up when his agent said "10.5" and wasn't joking). Should have traded Subban for whatever the best young player you could have gotten at the time for him, never traded Markov, or waited too long to trade Plecs.

Only having a good team is fine, you just can't fall in love with it. I'm not suggesting you fall in love with this group either, but 28 yr old soon to be 13 million dollar Leon isn't the droid you're looking for.
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Don't disagree
I'm just saying if everything goes right we might get back to a team that wasn't good enough. And I don't see a Price level player anywhere.

Suzuki is Pleks
Caufield is maxpac
Hutson and Guhle could be subban or Markov

Michkov could have been a legit improvement over that team.

2014 to 2015 had this and a 933 Price

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Damn, how much did I ridicule Frenemy for De La Rose, Bournival, and Sekac. Not to mention Poehling who he thought was going to be a 50 goal scorer because of that first game against us.
 
worm said:
Don't disagree
I'm just saying if everything goes right we might get back to a team that wasn't good enough. And I don't see a Price level player anywhere.

Suzuki is Pleks
Caufield is maxpac
Hutson and Guhle could be subban or Markov

Michkov could have been a legit improvement over that team.

2014 to 2015 had this and a 933 Price

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Eh, I don't like defending the Habs as a general rule but

Suzuki > Plecs
Caufield > Pacioretty

If I was picking between 21 yr old Guhle and Subban it would be close, but Guhle might turn into the more valuable defender overall (PK's nerdies were never strong if memory serves, despite the offensive production). Guhle looks well on his way to being the type of guy who can handle the heavies and move the puck.

I think the problem here is that all of the 20-24 yr old stuff in there other than Gallagher was junk and Price was already 27 by this time. The major problem with this group wasn't the few guys who made it, it was the bag load that didn't. Galchenyuk, Tinordi, Beaulieu....if those 3 turn into anything good at all, your whole era looks different. By 14-15, Price was 27, Plekanec was 31, Markov 35. The most important players in your organization simply didn't peak together.

With all of that said, if you guys don't stop fucking up lottery picks, you're never getting out of this anyway. Cooley and Michkov should be Habs right now.
 
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MindzEye said:
Eh, I don't like defending the Habs as a general rule but

Suzuki > Plecs
Caufield > Pacioretty

If I was picking between 21 yr old Guhle and Subban it would be close, but Guhle might turn into the more valuable defender overall (PK's nerdies were never strong if memory serves, despite the offensive production). Guhle looks well on his way to being the type of guy who can handle the heavies and move the puck.

I think the problem here is that all of the 20-24 yr old stuff in there other than Gallagher was junk and Price was already 27 by this time. The major problem with this group wasn't the few guys who made it, it was the bag load that didn't. Galchenyuk, Tinordi, Beaulieu....if those 3 turn into anything good at all, your whole era looks different. By 14-15, Price was 27, Plekanec was 31, Markov 35. The most important players in your organization simply didn't peak together.

With all of that said, if you guys don't stop fucking up lottery picks, you're never getting out of this anyway. Cooley and Michkov should be Habs right now.
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Michkov. Yes. Rush proof.

Cooley. I didn't see anyone thinking Cooley at 1. They also would have rushed Cooley anyway.
 
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