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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

zeke said:
I think we have enough room to sign all those guys just by moving kerfoot.
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We're at 72.8 million with:

-8 Forwards signed
-5 Defenders signs
-1 Goalie

Notable RFA's
Sandin
Lilly
Engvall
Kase

Notable UFA's
Jack
Mikky
Spezza

If we move Kerfoot with no retention, that's 7 forwards signed for 69.3 million, leaving us about 13.2 million in cap space.

So we would need 6 forwards
- Robertson (0.8)
- Engvall (1.75?)
- Kase (1.75?)
- Spezza (0.75)

Those are probably our definites. But bringing back Mikky will be more expensive if we want him (he'll get a money offer from Russia, guaranteed). But we're still going to need 2 more forwards there.

Lilly & Sandin need contracts, I think getting them in under 4 million total will be a tidy and difficult bit of business.

Jack is going to be 3.5-4.0 imo when things shake out.

Conservatively, I think we're into ~12 million to get the above done and then have to find a way to squeeze two forwards (Anderson and one other) in at near league minimum.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Roberston-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Kase
Simmonds-Spezza-Anderson
XXXXX

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lilly
Dermott

Jack
Mrazek

So we're into having the same team we had this season ostensibly (Robertson could easily be an upgrade over Kerfoot, but that's a risky slot that could go sideways on us) with potentially the same issues (Jack being Jeckyl & Hyde, Pete might be shit, Muzzin and Holl declining as a shutdown pair, that 4th line starting to show the wear on it's tires, etc)
 
MindzEye said:
We're at 72.8 million with:

-8 Forwards signed
-5 Defenders signs
-1 Goalie

Notable RFA's
Sandin
Lilly
Engvall
Kase

Notable UFA's
Jack
Mikky
Spezza

If we move Kerfoot with no retention, that's 7 forwards signed for 69.3 million, leaving us about 13.2 million in cap space.

So we would need 6 forwards
- Robertson (0.8)
- Engvall (1.75?)
- Kase (1.75?)
- Spezza (0.75)

Those are probably our definites. But bringing back Mikky will be more expensive if we want him (he'll get a money offer from Russia, guaranteed). But we're still going to need 2 more forwards there.

Lilly & Sandin need contracts, I think getting them in under 4 million total will be a tidy and difficult bit of business.

Jack is going to be 3.5-4.0 imo when things shake out.

Conservatively, I think we're into ~12 million to get the above done and then have to find a way to squeeze two forwards (Anderson and one other) in at near league minimum.

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Roberston-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Kase
Simmonds-Spezza-Anderson
XXXXX

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lilly
Dermott

Jack
Mrazek

So we're into having the same team we had this season ostensibly (Robertson could easily be an upgrade over Kerfoot, but that's a risky slot that could go sideways on us) with potentially the same issues (Jack being Jeckyl & Hyde, Pete might be shit, Muzzin and Holl declining as a shutdown pair, that 4th line starting to show the wear on it's tires, etc)
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I think Engvall and Kase will have QOs in the 1.5 range - probably just get that.

Mikheyev based on track record I'm not sure can get a big payday. 2-2.5?

Sandin/Lilly I think we're forced to bridge - maybe a dermott level deal?

Campbell somewhere in the 4m range?

Would probably have to trade away Holl or Dermott to make it fit but I think it's doable.
 
Mikky doesn't seem to be all about the money. I'd be surprised if he leaves. And I think we really want him to stay.

Kase is a fringe luxury. I don't care at all if we keep him and I'll happily let him go to free up money for Mikky and Engvall to give them 2-3 year deals.
 
zeke said:
I think Engvall and Kase will have QOs in the 1.5 range - probably just get that.
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QO would be 100% of what they made this season, but I don't know if shit will be that simple with either of them. Kase is arby eligible and probably files for arby to leverage for more money. Pierre isn't and maybe just takes the one year deal (which takes him to UFA I think) but also can turn down the QO and look for offer sheets.
zeke said:
Mikheyev based on track record I'm not sure can get a big payday. 2-2.5?
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I would bet on an offer from Russia in the 2.5-3.0 range, yeah. Also wouldn't be shocked to see a NHL team go in on some dollars and term on him. I mean, if McGinn and Nick Ritchie can fetch 2.5+ out of free agency, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a legitimate 3rd line winger like Mikky could get 3yrs x 2.5ish. We can't match that.

zeke said:
Sandin/Lilly I think we're forced to bridge - maybe a dermott level deal?
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I had them at 4M combined on bridges personally. The comparables for Sandin around the league kind of aren't pretty for us cap wise. Jake Bean got 3x2.3, Dante Fabbro got 2x2.4, Ethan Bear 2x2.0, Jokiharju 3x2.5

I think bridging Sandin is in the 2-2.5M territory, Lilly we can probably "Dermott" at 1.25-1.5 per, yeah. The better way forward might be to clear more cap space and just bite the bullet on both of them for 3-4 years though.
zeke said:
Campbell somewhere in the 4m range?
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Yeah, that's where I've got him.
zeke said:
Would probably have to trade away Holl or Dermott to make it fit but I think it's doable.
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Yeah, if we're willing to shed more salary from the NHL roster (Dermott/Holl) and replace it cheap we can maybe do it. I still don't see Mikky fitting in (or being worth the additional money...same as Kerfoot really, fine player but if we're getting similar contributions out of guys sub 2 million, dafuq are we doing spending more on him?).

Next year is tight though, especially if we're 7.8 million into Jack/Mrazek...which is too much imo for how insecure a tandem that feels like currently.
 
MindzEye said:
QO would be 100% of what they made this season, but I don't know if shit will be that simple with either of them. Kase is arby eligible and probably files for arby to leverage for more money. Pierre isn't and maybe just takes the one year deal (which takes him to UFA I think) but also can turn down the QO and look for offer sheets.


I would bet on an offer from Russia in the 2.5-3.0 range, yeah. Also wouldn't be shocked to see a NHL team go in on some dollars and term on him. I mean, if McGinn and Nick Ritchie can fetch 2.5+ out of free agency, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a legitimate 3rd line winger like Mikky could get 3yrs x 2.5ish. We can't match that.



I had them at 4M combined on bridges personally. The comparables for Sandin around the league kind of aren't pretty for us cap wise. Jake Bean got 3x2.3, Dante Fabbro got 2x2.4, Ethan Bear 2x2.0, Jokiharju 3x2.5

I think bridging Sandin is in the 2-2.5M territory, Lilly we can probably "Dermott" at 1.25-1.5 per, yeah. The better way forward might be to clear more cap space and just bite the bullet on both of them for 3-4 years though.


Yeah, that's where I've got him.


Yeah, if we're willing to shed more salary from the NHL roster (Dermott/Holl) and replace it cheap we can maybe do it. I still don't see Mikky fitting in (or being worth the additional money...same as Kerfoot really, fine player but if we're getting similar contributions out of guys sub 2 million, dafuq are we doing spending more on him?).

Next year is tight though, especially if we're 7.8 million into Jack/Mrazek...which is too much imo for how insecure a tandem that feels like currently.
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Breakdowns like this make me feel like it makes so much sense for dubas to value a Hagel far more than a rental. Sets them up for 3 playoffs runs and solves a lot of their concerns for the next 2 seasons too. And it buys a little more time for their prospects to truly be "ready". And then you trade the bagel when he expires and is a RFA so you recoup some of that value back in the end. If he's playing in a top six role his stats might get fairly juiced anyway and you can potentially get Kapanen-esque value back.

IDK if Chicago will trade him or how much they want but that's the type of guy that has Kyle's fingerprints all over it. Guy has term, is cheap, and is a LW and a natural Kerf replacement for the next two seasons. But he's had horseshoes up his ass this year so the cost may be too steep in the end. It has to make sense because he is probably not as good as his counting stats show.
 
MindzEye said:
QO would be 100% of what they made this season, but I don't know if shit will be that simple with either of them. Kase is arby eligible and probably files for arby to leverage for more money. Pierre isn't and maybe just takes the one year deal (which takes him to UFA I think) but also can turn down the QO and look for offer sheets.


I would bet on an offer from Russia in the 2.5-3.0 range, yeah. Also wouldn't be shocked to see a NHL team go in on some dollars and term on him. I mean, if McGinn and Nick Ritchie can fetch 2.5+ out of free agency, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a legitimate 3rd line winger like Mikky could get 3yrs x 2.5ish. We can't match that.



I had them at 4M combined on bridges personally. The comparables for Sandin around the league kind of aren't pretty for us cap wise. Jake Bean got 3x2.3, Dante Fabbro got 2x2.4, Ethan Bear 2x2.0, Jokiharju 3x2.5

I think bridging Sandin is in the 2-2.5M territory, Lilly we can probably "Dermott" at 1.25-1.5 per, yeah. The better way forward might be to clear more cap space and just bite the bullet on both of them for 3-4 years though.


Yeah, that's where I've got him.


Yeah, if we're willing to shed more salary from the NHL roster (Dermott/Holl) and replace it cheap we can maybe do it. I still don't see Mikky fitting in (or being worth the additional money...same as Kerfoot really, fine player but if we're getting similar contributions out of guys sub 2 million, dafuq are we doing spending more on him?).

Next year is tight though, especially if we're 7.8 million into Jack/Mrazek...which is too much imo for how insecure a tandem that feels like currently.
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Even if you bump mikky and sandin up to 2.5 we can still fit them all I think.
 
Yeah but you just need to shave 100k/200k off a few of those signing to get the space for an extra.
 
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