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GDT #13: 2024/11/03 - Wild

It might be healthier for the team to flame out this year to get the core changes needed that they won’t make it we re-run a 2nd or 3rd place division finish with an early playoff exit.

We have another coach that is trying to take the skill off a team and play meat/potato hockey. This team isn’t built for that. Moreover to do this - it means special teams have to be through the roof to capitalize on chances to get offense.

Btw, it’s amazing how bad our PP is at spacing to be able to move the puck through the PK box. Just pass it around the outside and with some bad shot selection mixed in. Of course the first time we break the box with a pass - Nylander scores.
 
I'd like to see more movement on the PP. People driving the net, circling, switching spots, etc

We don't move our feet at all
 
xGA/60:
24-25: 2.47 (10th)
23-24: 2.62 (16th)
22-23: 2.53 (12th)
21-22: 2.25 (3rd)
20-21: 2.11 (10th)
19-20: 2.45 (18th)
18-19: 2.59 (25th)

xGF/60:
24-25: 2.74 (9th)
23-24: 2.88 (6th)
22-23: 2.98 (6th)
21-22: 2.87 (3rd)
20-21: 2.65 (4th)
19-20: 2.61 (4th)
18-19: 2.77 (3rd)

They've made some improvement defensively, but at the cost of offense.

But two things really stand out:

1. They were real good in 21-22. That was their best team for whatever reason.
2. They haven't been an elite offensive team in 4 years. Very good, but not elite, which is the only way they are winning paying $40 mill to 4 forwards. And really, they've never been the juggernaut offense they should be.
 
Now bruins are catching fire while benching their best player.
I'm really annoyed how this team has tried to purposely get slower and less skilled every offseason and trade deadline. On top of that, they always have their coach play the wrong system.
 
You basically have three hundred point guys - one who can get 70 goals, another with the ability to get 80 assists, and one who can do 40-60. Plus one guy who is PPG pretty much every year. Nobody has that. But they’re never all playing to their abilities at the same time, or the same season.
 
They have concentrated on grit/sandpaper since 2018 deadline. It's gone off the rails.
People talk about playoffs, but I think they've underachieved terribly in the regular season. A President's Trophy usually means you'll win a cup soon.
 
I think it would be easier to quit heroin than it would be to quit watching these fucksticks.

I've tried to stop following them purely out of disgust and disappointment but I can't seem to, maybe I'll start shooting up instead.

Maybe after I get hopelessly fucked up on H, I simply won't give a fuck about these fucks.


Just kidding of course, kinda, sorta....
 
They have had basically zero prospect capital.

Like, what does this team look like with Seth Jarvis plus whatever they could have gotten for Kapanen and Johnson (probably at least a first and a couple of seconds)?
 
Slinger 48 said:
I think it would be easier to quit heroin than it would be to quit watching these fucksticks.

I've tried to stop following them purely out of disgust and disappointment but I can't seem to, maybe I'll start shooting up instead.

Maybe after I get hopelessly fucked up on H, I simply won't give a fuck about these fucks.


Just kidding of course, kinda, sorta....
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There has never in history been a core this stale.
 
leafman101 said:
The more I think about it, the more mindblowing it in the Core 4 era this team has not been the best offense in the league once.
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eh not really. that's a factor of them always getting amongst the least PPs in the league.

The Leafs were 1st in 5v5 goals even last year. And not for the first time.

5v5 goals

'24: 200 (#1)
'23: 184 (#8)
'22: 210 (#2)
'21: 132 (#2)
'20: 162 (#2)
'19: 206 (#1)
'18: 187 (#2)
'17: 169 (#5)

Since 16-17:

#1 TOR 1480
#2 TBL 1378
#3 WSH 1364
#4 PIT 1363
#5 FLA 1332



And it's not because the PP hasn't been excellent. It has.

Since 16-17 5v4:

#1 EDM 9.20gf/60
#2 TBL 8.99gf/60
#3 TOR 8.55gf/60
#4 NYR 7.95gf/60
#5 DAL 7.90gf/60

'24: 8.78 (#6)
'23: 9.01 (#4)
'22: 10.25 (#1)
'21: 7.70 (#9)
'20: 7.74 (#9)
'19: 7.50 (#9)
'18: 9.71 (#1)
'17: 8.42 (#2)


Power Play Opportunities Per Game: 2.83 (#27)
 
zeke said:
eh not really. that's a factor of them always getting amongst the least PPs in the league.

The Leafs were 1st in 5v5 goals even last year. And not for the first time.

5v5 goals

'24: 200 (#1)
'23: 184 (#8)
'22: 210 (#2)
'21: 132 (#2)
'20: 162 (#2)
'19: 206 (#1)
'18: 187 (#2)
'17: 169 (#5)

Since 16-17:

#1 TOR 1480
#2 TBL 1378
#3 WSH 1364
#4 PIT 1363
#5 FLA 1332



And it's not because the PP hasn't been excellent. It has.

Since 16-17 5v4:

#1 EDM 9.20gf/60
#2 TBL 8.99gf/60
#3 TOR 8.55gf/60
#4 NYR 7.95gf/60
#5 DAL 7.90gf/60

'24: 8.78 (#6)
'23: 9.01 (#4)
'22: 10.25 (#1)
'21: 7.70 (#9)
'20: 7.74 (#9)
'19: 7.50 (#9)
'18: 9.71 (#1)
'17: 8.42 (#2)


Power Play Opportunities Per Game: 2.83 (#27)
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huh. this is a good point that I had not considered
 
zeke said:
eh not really. that's a factor of them always getting amongst the least PPs in the league.

The Leafs were 1st in 5v5 goals even last year. And not for the first time.

5v5 goals

'24: 200 (#1)
'23: 184 (#8)
'22: 210 (#2)
'21: 132 (#2)
'20: 162 (#2)
'19: 206 (#1)
'18: 187 (#2)
'17: 169 (#5)

Since 16-17:

#1 TOR 1480
#2 TBL 1378
#3 WSH 1364
#4 PIT 1363
#5 FLA 1332



And it's not because the PP hasn't been excellent. It has.

Since 16-17 5v4:

#1 EDM 9.20gf/60
#2 TBL 8.99gf/60
#3 TOR 8.55gf/60
#4 NYR 7.95gf/60
#5 DAL 7.90gf/60

'24: 8.78 (#6)
'23: 9.01 (#4)
'22: 10.25 (#1)
'21: 7.70 (#9)
'20: 7.74 (#9)
'19: 7.50 (#9)
'18: 9.71 (#1)
'17: 8.42 (#2)


Power Play Opportunities Per Game: 2.83 (#27)
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Leafman gets zeked
 
I mean I was clearly measuring 5v5 xG.

Fair, they score above expected in the regular season, but that doesn’t seem to translate to the playoffs.
 
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