GDT JAN 18 MTL @ TOR

[Habspatrol]

2 goals directly the result of non calls tonight, allegedly.

I wouldn't say that 2 goals or even 1 were a direct result of non calls... but 2 goals did come shortly after a play that most definitely COULD have been called and nobody would have thought they were too weak. The first one would have been a bit weak but that interference on the game winner gets called more often than not.

C'est la vie though. Good game by the Leafs. I think the Habs played a solid game too... especially after a weak start.

 

[Pronger84]

I wouldn't say that 2 goals or even 1 were a direct result of non calls... but 2 goals did come shortly after a play that most definitely COULD have been called and nobody would have thought they were too weak. The first one would have been a bit weak but that interference on the game winner gets called more often than not.

C'est la vie though. Good game by the Leafs. I think the Habs played a solid game too... especially after a weak start.

What I liked most about the Leafs last night is how they used their best weapon to their advantage which is their speed at all ends of the ice, pressuring the Habs into making mistakes and then generating offence on the attack with it instead of just merely dumping the puck in. Carlyle has said "we don't have an identity" yes actually the Leafs do the problem is they don't use it to their advantage 90% of the time, if they can play like they did last night (especially in the 1st) then they'll be a difficult team to play going forward.

 

[blacksheep]

Yep Gleason has quietly did a good job, but still feel we need to add another solid d-man and ship Franson out. Would go with a d-core of Phaneuf-XXXXX-Gunnar-Gleason-Gardiner-Rielly.

Gleason is fine as a 3rd pairing defender on this team. He's a lot more calm and collected than some of our kids.
Wasn't it great that Franson can once again earn an assist on an opponent's goal? If not for Franson, the Habs second goal would not have happened. It's ridiculous that he gets the ice time he does when we can say that every single game.
I still wish Liles was here in place of Franson, but perhaps the Carolina GM knows Franson's value better than Carlyle does.

 

[Leafyblue]

All I'll say is....it sure was nice that our goaltending wasn't the reason we won.

 

[Bleedsblue&white]

Hopefully we've turned a corner.
It'll take a few more games playing consistently well, win or lose, and maybe we can start feeling like we did in October. All we need, IMO, is enough separation to allow three point games to do their job. It'll be interesting to see how we play with Clarkson back in.

 

[MindzEye]

I wouldn't say that 2 goals or even 1 were a direct result of non calls... but 2 goals did come shortly after a play that most definitely COULD have been called and nobody would have thought they were too weak. The first one would have been a bit weak but that interference on the game winner gets called more often than not.

C'est la vie though. Good game by the Leafs. I think the Habs played a solid game too... especially after a weak start.

I think Habs fans have fallen into the trap of seeing a bunch of small players get pushed around easily and seeing calls where there aren't any that get made for other teams. On the winning goal, the Gunner "interference" was passive at most. Desharnais just ran into him, when he beat Desharnais to the boards. If DD was 6'1 210 pounds, that play looks a whole lot differently, with a lot less flailing.

 

[Pronger84]

Hopefully we've turned a corner.
It'll take a few more games playing consistently well, win or lose, and maybe we can start feeling like we did in October. All we need, IMO, is enough separation to allow three point games to do their job. It'll be interesting to see how we play with Clarkson back in.

We didn't play all that well in October, most games we were getting dominated and outshot by a large margin, goaltending was one of the main reasons' we had a winning record. I think these past 5-7 games have been our best stretch of hockey, no goaltending hasn't been great (average at best) but we're playing as a team now, using our speed to our advantage and our key players (Kessel, Bozak, JVR, Kadri etc) are stepping up when it matters the most.

 

[Habspatrol]

I think Habs fans have fallen into the trap of seeing a bunch of small players get pushed around easily and seeing calls where there aren't any that get made for other teams. On the winning goal, the Gunner "interference" was passive at most. Desharnais just ran into him, when he beat Desharnais to the boards. If DD was 6'1 210 pounds, that play looks a whole lot differently, with a lot less flailing.

That's rubbish. I watch an inordinate amount of hockey and I get my knowledge from that, not just Hab games. It has nothing to do with size, Gunnarson stepped in front of Gallagher and stopped him from going around to retrieve the puck. They call that very frequently... and sometimes they don't.

Again though, it didn't directly result in a goal. The Habs had more than adequate time to recover. Calls get missed all the time and I'm sure the Habs got away with a few last night too. I'm not blaming the officials for the loss at all. If anything it's more like "shit, it would have been great if the refs had made that call." not "****!!! The refs blew it!!!!"

 

[leafman101]

They never call that unless the guy manhandles him. Dmen always step infront of the forwards on a dump.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

stop being so sensible Ray, it's less entertaining

 

[Pronger84]

stop being so sensible Ray, it's less entertaining

Who's Ray?

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

your uncle with benefits

 

[Deckie007]

Who's Ray?

It's Jonas' nickname for Habspatrol. You know, like Sunshine.

 

[Habspatrol]

They never call that unless the guy manhandles him. Dmen always step infront of the forwards on a dump.

Hmmm... seems that the Habs really do get screwed by the refs then... cause when the puck is that far past and a Habs' dman steps in front of the forechecker they frequently get called.

Again though, no biggie, I've seen worse calls and non calls. Like I said it was more a "shit, it would have been great if the refs had made that call" than a "****!!! The refs blew it!!!!"

 

[Habspatrol]

stop being so sensible Ray, it's less entertaining

Sorry, I'll try to make up some faux anger for your entertainment.

 

[MindzEye]

That's rubbish. I watch an inordinate amount of hockey and I get my knowledge from that, not just Hab games. It has nothing to do with size, Gunnarson stepped in front of Gallagher and stopped him from going around to retrieve the puck. They call that very frequently... and sometimes they don't.

The operative words are "stepped in front of". That's exactly what Gunnar did, and that is not a penalty. Beating a forechecker to the spot is passive "interference" and it's very legal, even if the forechecker is a midget who runs into you and flails his arms afterwards (and I was unaware it was Gallagher...so blame that little rats rep as much as anything...he's a ****ing used car salesman on skates)

It wasn't a penalty. Gunner beat him to the spot and the little rat waved his arms around after contact to try to draw a penalty.

Again though, it didn't directly result in a goal. The Habs had more than adequate time to recover. Calls get missed all the time and I'm sure the Habs got away with a few last night too. I'm not blaming the officials for the loss at all. If anything it's more like "shit, it would have been great if the refs had made that call." not "****!!! The refs blew it!!!!"

At least you're taking it like a man (talk to your people Ray....the crying was delicious)....but it wasn't a missed call. Gunner beat him to the spot and Gallagher ran into him...not a penalty, even in Gallagher does an excellent job waving his arms and trying to sell it, but it's not.

 

[Habspatrol]

The operative words are "stepped in front of". That's exactly what Gunnar did, and that is not a penalty. Beating a forechecker to the spot is passive "interference" and it's very legal, even if the forechecker is a midget who runs into you and flails his arms afterwards (and I was unaware it was Gallagher...so blame that little rats rep as much as anything...he's a ****ing used car salesman on skates)

It wasn't a penalty. Gunner beat him to the spot and the little rat waved his arms around after contact to try to draw a penalty.



At least you're taking it like a man (talk to your people Ray....the crying was delicious)....but it wasn't a missed call. Gunner beat him to the spot and Gallagher ran into him...not a penalty, even in Gallagher does an excellent job waving his arms and trying to sell it, but it's not.

If a player is skating along the boards and is going to beat the dman to the puck so the dman steps in front of him it's interference. They call it all the time. You don't have to throw a hit or grab the guy, just stepping into his path is interference.

This one wasn't 100% clear cut either though, which is why I'm not losing my shit over it... but I've seen less called... and worse not called mind you.

 

[Volcanologist]

It was a weak-ass call, period.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

If a player is skating along the boards and is going to beat the dman to the puck so the dman steps in front of him it's interference. They call it all the time. You don't have to throw a hit or grab the guy, just stepping into his path is interference.

This one wasn't 100% clear cut either though, which is why I'm not losing my shit over it... but I've seen less called... and worse not called mind you.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm kind of surprised at you. One of the first things they teach you as a defenceman is how to effectively impede opposing forwards while you're both in pursuit of the puck without so much as using your stick and utilizing your angles.

Lidstrom was the master at it for years and years.

 

[Deckie007]

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm kind of surprised at you. One of the first things they teach you as a defenceman is how to effectively impede opposing forwards while you're both in pursuit of the puck without so much as using your stick and utilizing your angles.

Lidstrom was the master at it for years and years.

+1

I have no idea what Sunshine is on about.