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It really depends. When Kessel, Lupul need to extended and then down the line, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly need to be extended, it could be an issue. The Leafs already have quite a bit tied up into the blueline and on the wing. And that's not counting the expensive goalie everyone wants to bring in. You'd have to sacrifice somewhere.
 
Somewhere other than center and defense.

Not that it really matters as the Leafs are in great cap shape moving forward, and Grabo won't stop them from getting a #1 center should the opportunity arise.

But this is getting way off the point, which is that Tyler Bozak is in no way, shape or form a valid reason for trading Grabo, or a suitable replacement.
 
It's not Grabo or Bozak. It's Grabo or Bozak + 4 Million. Bozak has produced at an acceptable level for a 2nd/3rd liner in his first 3 years in the league, and he still has the potential to be better.

I like Grabo, but you're paying a premium for a 55-60 point guy.
 
You are paying a premium for a borderline first liner. Those are the guys you keep.

The two aren't even close to being comparable players. Grabo is better by a fair margin at everything except faceoffs.
 
And besides, the Leafs literally only have 3 guys signed after next year. There is no reason to penny pinch now. You penny pinch when you have a bunch of players better than Grabo signed and you can no longer afford him.
 
Montana said:
Why? He's already explained it quite clearly and yet some people still don't understand it.
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No he hasn't.

....signing Brad Richards to that contract would have been cap circumvention by Burke as he'd be offering it with the knowledge that the last three years were bogus for the intent of illegally drawing down his average annual cap hit. The Rangers know this is the intent, know that it's cap circumvention, but obviously would never admit it thus making it difficult for the league to penalize.

From the get go though, Burke has said he's willing to trade for any contract that the league has approved and deemed legal.....he'd still be of the knowledge that the contract amounts to cap circumvention, but there is nothing in league rules about dealing for such a contract, as it has already been approved by the league.


In my opinion, it's pretty straightforward. Burke isn't willing to knowingly break the rules set out by the league.
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This is total bullshit. You're either ok with cap-circumventing contracts on your team/cap or you aren't.

his position is completely contradictory.
 
Volcanologist said:
No he hasn't.



This is total bullshit. You're either ok with cap-circumventing contracts on your team/cap or you aren't.

his position is completely contradictory.
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I disagree... there's a world of difference between signing a cap circumventing deal and trading for one. If a deal is already signed then it's in the league to stay and there's nothing you can do about it. To sign one means that you're adding another one to the league.

I'm not going to go out and slaughter a cow, but if I'm in the store and I see a nice T-bone I might buy it.
 
Luongo will be a massive bust in Toronto. If he cannot stand the heat in Vancouver, he is going to fry in Toronto. Burke should be let go if he cannot be patient.

We live in the most patient and loyal fan base in all of the sports world. We should fight it to the end with Reimer and Rynnas and collect our just rewards.
 
Habspatrol said:
I disagree... there's a world of difference between signing a cap circumventing deal and trading for one. If a deal is already signed then it's in the league to stay and there's nothing you can do about it. To sign one means that you're adding another one to the league.

I'm not going to go out and slaughter a cow, but if I'm in the store and I see a nice T-bone I might buy it.
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What? There's no difference at all. You either have those kind of deals on your team or you don't. You either approve of them or you don't.
 
Volcanologist said:
What? There's no difference at all. You either have those kind of deals on your team or you don't. You either approve of them or you don't.
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You either sign them or you don't. Burke wants Luongo on his team, he can't control the fact that a GM signed him to that kind of a deal 4 years ago.
 
There is a difference between making an illegal agreement with someone, and becoming involved after that agreement has already been made. If Luongo just so happens to retire when he turns 38 with 4 years remaining on the deal, that has nothing to do with Burke. He never made Luongo any promises, or asked for any promises from Luongo.

Actually being a party to that side agreement though is something else. That is the part that is cheating. The contract itself isn't cap circumventing. Its that side deal, that Burke would not be a party to, that circumvents the cap.
 
Habspatrol said:
You either sign them or you don't. Burke wants Luongo on his team, he can't control the fact that a GM signed him to that kind of a deal 4 years ago.
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No, but he can control whether such a deal is on his payroll or not. That happens whether you sign the player or trade for him.

Burke's position is one of principle, he testified against the Kovalchuk and has repeated his principle publicly many times.
 
Volcanologist said:
No, but he can control whether such a deal is on his payroll or not. That happens whether you sign the player or trade for him.

Burke's position is one of principle, he testified against the Kovalchuk and has repeated his principle publicly many times.
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He's claimed he'd never sign that kind of contract. He has also claimed that he would trade for the kind of contract. So he clearly thinks differently than you do about the difference between signing and trading for contracts.

I agree with him.
 
Volcanologist said:
No he hasn't.



This is total bullshit. You're either ok with cap-circumventing contracts on your team/cap or you aren't.

his position is completely contradictory.
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Hence why there'd be no point in him explaining it yet again.....the handful of you that don't get it now, still wouldn't if he said it twenty more times.
 
Habspatrol said:
I disagree... there's a world of difference between signing a cap circumventing deal and trading for one.
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leafman101 said:
There is a difference between making an illegal agreement with someone, and becoming involved after that agreement has already been made. If Luongo just so happens to retire when he turns 38 with 4 years remaining on the deal, that has nothing to do with Burke. He never made Luongo any promises, or asked for any promises from Luongo.

Actually being a party to that side agreement though is something else. That is the part that is cheating. The contract itself isn't cap circumventing. Its that side deal, that Burke would not be a party to, that circumvents the cap.
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Bingo.
 
Montana said:
Hence why there'd be no point in him explaining it yet again.....the handful of you that don't get it now, still wouldn't if he said it twenty more times.
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Again? that would require a first time. There's nothing to "get".

But I'm certainly looking forward to it, if and when a Luongo trade goes down. Should be fascinating.
 
leafman101 said:
There is a difference between making an illegal agreement with someone, and becoming involved after that agreement has already been made. If Luongo just so happens to retire when he turns 38 with 4 years remaining on the deal, that has nothing to do with Burke. He never made Luongo any promises, or asked for any promises from Luongo.

Actually being a party to that side agreement though is something else. That is the part that is cheating. The contract itself isn't cap circumventing. Its that side deal, that Burke would not be a party to, that circumvents the cap.
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Of course it is.

Burke objects to contracts wherein the value declines in later years to bring down the cap hit. These are the "back diving deals" he's referred to many times. Like, for example, the one Brad Richards signed, or the one Luongo has.
 
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