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mbow30 said:
why does it matter whether a cap hit was paid to a ufa or not?
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Because we're debating UFAs.

weber wasn't even a ufa. and his $7.8mn cap hit is amongst the top 5.
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He was a pending UFA. Not a great deal of difference. They had to pay it or lose him to UFA.

but it's still less than the 9.5 ovechkin is getting, and the 8.7 crosby and malkin are getting and the 8.25 staal is getting.
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These are the exceptions I noted above - career deals for RFA franchise/generational talents.
 
Past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour. NHL GMs have been consistently unwilling to go near the max salary and screw their ability to sign a fulsome roster. They have consistently shown that they will do just about anything to avoid this scenario, including circumventing the previous cap.

An argument could be made that they only avoided this because the circumvention was available; that they otherwise would have screwed their caps and signed to higher cap hits. Of course, this also involved them making obscene long-term financial commitments.

I'm just wondering if any of these GMs had discussions with their ownership about taking the higher cap hit and reducing the long-term commitment. That they never did this strongly suggests that the cap hit is a big issue for them and acts as a strong impediment for blowing the doors off with large UFA salaries.

Time will tell, I guess. But it's by no means a sure bet that they'll do differently than before vis-a-vis how much cap they are willing to have one player eat.
 
BeLeafer said:
Because we're debating UFAs.
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we're discussing how much you can reasonably expect a player to earn.

if anything, his status as a ufa should increase his contract value, not depress it.

He was a pending UFA. Not a great deal of difference. They had to pay it or lose him to UFA.
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if that's how you want to look at it -- every player is a pending ufa, and rfa contract values are often predicated on buying up years of unrestricted free agency.

so the ominpresent threat of unrestricted free agency has an inflationary impact on contracts because it gives bargaining power to players. which is exactly what corey perry is going to have on the open market and exactly why, if he becomes an unrestricted free agent, he is going to earn a bigger cap hit than the 18th biggest hit amongst forwards in the league.


These are the exceptions I noted above - career deals for RFA franchise/generational talents.
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corey perry just won a freaking hart trophy. crosby, malkin and ovechkin are or were generational talents. staal? perry i sactually pretty darn comparable.

with term limits and cap variance you are talking about buying up his prime years. you are also talking about an environment in which his contemporaries are earning upwards of $10-14mn per year.

and you're trying to argue that he is going to sign a contract that with variance will never fall below the $5 range, and never go above the $8 range.

it's just not going to happen.
 
Even if you put Perry at $7.5 or $8.5 they could still do Stastny and get it done. My case is not based on Perry getting $6.7M and I probably should have not put that in there to avoid this debate.
 
mbow30 said:
corey perry just won a freaking hart trophy. crosby, malkin and ovechkin are or were generational talents. staal? perry i sactually pretty darn comparable.
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Perry's Hart season looks much like an anomaly today. He never produced like that previously and followed it up with a 60 point season. Staal has never had a season slump like that.

with term limits and cap variance you are talking about buying up his prime years. you are also talking about an environment in which his contemporaries are earning upwards of $10-14mn per year.
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Under the previous CBA. The new CBA was fought largely to avoid those kinds of salaries. We'll see how high they go but it won't come near those sums, imo.
 
And, just to clarify, I'm not even that juiced over getting Statsny ... I was only making the case that it could be done without screwing the cap.

They could even decide to buy him out if he doesn't rebound after the trade. There's lots of moves you could make to do that without screwing yourself.
 
Stephen Burtch ‏@SteveBurtch
the #Leafs SHOULD be able to move one of their top 6 wingers and get a top 4 D man from another NHL club.
The question is - what teams have surplus top 4 D and not enough W?
So are Lupul or MacArthur worth Fedor Tyutin to Columbus?

Not enough facepalms in the world.
 
Yeah I've heard that a couple times recently. It's weird. The Leafs do need a defenseman, but they already have him in the AHL.
 
leafman101 said:
Yeah I've heard that a couple times recently. It's weird. The Leafs do need a defenseman, but they already have him in the AHL.
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Fedor Tyutin is signed for 6 more years at 4.5 million. Never cracked 34 points.

Response: Defensemen aren't there to score points.
 
Why would Lupul be available to begin with?

I have no problem moving MacA but i would want it to be with a defencemen for an upgrade.
 
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