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I shouldn't say never. It happens sometimes. Hossa and Kovalchuk are the only guys I can think of that are legit superstar forwards that were UFA's in their primes.

And both teams have made it at least as far as the Cup final as a direct result of those signings.

Just this guy is a big, mean, physical power forward on top of being a superstar in his prime.
 
Good grief. I'm following the discussion just fine.

I said THIS:

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I think it'd be foolish to not go after an elite winger because there's no elite center yet. Elite talent whenever possible IMO.
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That's what started the argument. You twisted this into "By that logic, you'd go out and get another winger even if you had 8 elite wingers" and that the team posted was too heavy on the wings. If you are supportive of getting Perry, I have no idea why you're being so argumentative.
 
I honestly think you're losing it.

I came in here, made a statement and you keep quoting me. If you also think we should go after Perry, then stop directing your arguments at me. We don't have 8 elite wingers, we have one. And I want another one, even if we have no elite center yet. There is literally nothing absurd about that. Nothing.
 
Yeah, I'm losing it. That explains it. lol!

If you'd like to go back and check, you were the first to respond to me and kept doing so ... hence, why I kept responding to you. I'm not singling you out.
 
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Most GM's don't work in a way where they'll acquire as much elite talent in positions they don't need(just so they have someone to trade later)...So it's unrealistic from that point. I think Perry is someone that we need(out top 6 is still weak on the boards) so i'd definitely welcome that.
 
BL far as I can tell you're just being contrarian... not actually advocating any particular position, just pissing on everyone else's. Feel free to prove me wrong though...
 
sir pyscho sexy said:
BL far as I can tell you're just being contrarian... not actually advocating any particular position, just pissing on everyone else's. Feel free to prove me wrong though...
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No, I was contesting the idea that adding Perry = Cup. That flowed into a claim that you just pick up elite talent whenever it's available ... another point I strongly disagree with (for reasons I articulated).
 
BeLeafer said:
No, I was contesting the idea that adding Perry = Cup. That flowed into a claim that you just pick up elite talent whenever it's available ... another point I strongly disagree with (for reasons I articulated).
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Would adding Perry for only $$ not make us a better team? Increase our ability to contend?

And I think as a general principle trying to add elite talent whenever possible is a good one. Obviously it won't be an absolute rule, but in this case I can't really see any reason not to pursue a guy like Perry.
 
PKForce81 said:
Most GM's don't work in a way where they'll acquire as much elite talent in positions they don't need(just so they have someone to trade later)...So it's unrealistic from that point. I think Perry is someone that we need(out top 6 is still weak on the boards) so i'd definitely welcome that.
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I don't know how people are spinning this to such an extreme though. How many teams "don't need" another elite winger?
 
BeLeafer said:
No, I was contesting the idea that adding Perry = Cup. That flowed into a claim that you just pick up elite talent whenever it's available ... another point I strongly disagree with (for reasons I articulated).
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When you have only one elite player, you sure ****ing do.
 
hockeylover said:
I don't know how people are spinning this to such an extreme though. How many teams "don't need" another elite winger?
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Well that sentence before made it seem that it's ok to add more elite wingers(even if you have multiple ones already) just because you can trade them for a centre later on. I'm just saying no GM thinks that way. It's always about current needs.
 
BeLeafer said:
Yes. How much, I'm not sure. We're not exactly weak on the wing right now. So, the upgrade, while there, may not make much of an impact overall.



Not necessarily.
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Our wingers could go from... Lupul-Kessel; JVR-Frattin; Mac-Kuly; Komoravo-goon

to Lupul-Kessel; JVR-Perry; Mac-Frattin; Kuly/Komo-goon.

That would give us three legitimate scoring lines, two of which should be near the top of the league in production regardless of their centre. And, we would have guys like Komarov and/or Kulemin on our fourth line.

I really can't think of many teams in the league that have that quality and depth of wingers. 5-6 of those guys could easily score 20 goals, and Kuly, with his 30 goal season, would likely be on our fourth line. Gotta think that would increase our ability to content. Can't see how it wouldn't really.

We're not weak on the wing, but this addition gives us two elite wingers. That means that the other team's top d-men can only key in on one of Kessel/Perry... that opens up a lot of ice for the other one playing against 2nd unit d-men.
 
PKForce81 said:
Well that sentence before made it seem that it's ok to add more elite wingers(even if you have multiple ones already) just because you can trade them for a centre later on. I'm just saying no GM thinks that way. It's always about current needs.
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I could see saying this to me if there was an elite center available and an elite winger and I was still advocating going for the elite winger. But there's not. And I don't think we should wait. Because if we had #1C, I'd still want to add a 27 year old 50 goal scorer/Stanley Cup Champion.
 
The argument is silly. The Toronto Maple Leafs do not have too many elite anything. Center, winger, D, goalie...yes please to all.
 
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