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I am not saying Clowe is a bad player. I am saying he is overrated because the media constantly raves about him as a top line power forward, the next Bertuzzi ... which he clearly is not.

Playing on a very good and very offensive Sharks team, he's put up ~ 20G 50Pts consistently, which is great, but it must be noted he does this on the line centered by either Thornton, Pavelski or Couture. He doesn't have the top end skills for a premiere power forward, but he does have the size, the work ethics and the will to plant himself in front of the net and score on rebounds / deflections etc.

Which is all good, but it's also very clear as the Sharks' offense struggle, so does his. He has YET to score his first goal of the season 22 games in. Even Colton Orr has scored a couple by this point.

If it's a buy-low opportunity I'm all ear. If the Sharks want to trade him as a top line powerforward having a bad year, which is how the media sees it, then he is overrated.
 
yeah, with jvr and frattin in the lineup, plus kadri's ability to work the cycle based on quickness, guile and fearlessness i'm not so sure that they really need a guy like clowe.

a big centre is a must, though, because kessel is never going to be good on the cycle, so you need someone wit him who can play the boards.
 
number17 said:
I am not saying Clowe is a bad player. I am saying he is overrated because the media constantly raves about him as a top line power forward, the next Bertuzzi ... which he clearly is not.
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i don't think anybody has ever called him the next bertuzzi or a 'top line power forward'.
 
Someone would have to go but im not sure i'd want anyone out for either of these guys. Kuly may not be going offensively but he's just as good on the boards and maybe just hits a bit less..The only guy that may be worth moving down is Mac but i like his offensive game so it's tough to decide. Maybe we should stick with what we have and see how we do.
 
Looking at his last contract, and the fact that he's now 30 - he's certainly never been paid like a top-line power forward.
 
Yeah but the media also said he took a discount to stay with the team and left a lot of $$ on the table.

I don't think we're disagreeing on what kind of player he is. We're just disagreeing on what the hockey world and the media perception on this guy.
 
I wouldn't want Clowe, and don't see him as an upgrade on guys like Kuly and Mac at all (mostly because he can't skate).....but we'd have to be taking contracts back in any deal, and an expiriing one would be ideal.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Clowe could be a good buy low candidate, but who do you bump from a top 3 line wing position to make room for him based on his current form? He's been bad this year.

Kessel
Lupul
JVR
Frattin
MacArthur
Kulemin
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You'd probably have to give up Kulemin or Mac to acquire Clowe so question answered.
 
Better than Clowe how? They don't do the one thing Clowe is best at, and the Leafs forward group needs the most (behind a center).

Clowe fits in with what Carlyle is trying to do here much better than Mac does.
 
leafman101 said:
Better than Clowe how? They don't do the one thing Clowe is best at, and the Leafs forward group needs the most (behind a center).

Clowe fits in with what Carlyle is trying to do here much better than Mac does.
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I don't think even Clowe has been doing what Clowe is best at this year.
 
leafman101 said:
Better than Clowe how? They don't do the one thing Clowe is best at, and the Leafs forward group needs the most (behind a center).

Clowe fits in with what Carlyle is trying to do here much better than Mac does.
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I actually agree with you on this one. It is something we need more of. The thing is, we haven't had Frattin and Lupul at the same time so we dont' know how dynamic might change with those 2 in there...Hopefully Lups is back very soon and we have some time to test that out. I like Mac for his scoring and playmaking ability so dont want him gone.
 
PKForce81 said:
I actually agree with you on this one. It is something we need more of. The thing is, we haven't had Frattin and Lupul(especially at the same time) so we dont' know how dynamic might change with those 2 in there...Hopefully Lups is back very soon and we have some time to test that out. I like Mac for his scoring and playmaking ability so dont want him gone either.
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I'm not totally opposed to Clowe - but can you write out a possible lineup with him in it? I tried and I had a hard time justifying bumping some of the guys I was bumping in order to get him in there - in light of him struggling lately.
 
Are CORSI numbers a good indication of being good at cycling / puck posession?

Corsi Rel. QoC

Kulemin - 2.222
JVR - 1.124
Frattin - -0.131
MacArthur - -0.239
Clowe - -0.522

It actually seems like Kulemin has had a really positive impact on the ice this year. And he seems the kind of player the Leafs can keep for fairly cheap. The team should really keep him.
 
hockeylover said:
I'm not totally opposed to Clowe - but can you write out a possible lineup with him in it? I tried and I had a hard time justifying bumping some of the guys I was bumping in order to get him in there - in light of him struggling lately.
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Same here. I was mostly going by him saying we need more strength on the wing..It may or may not be true since we havent had Frattin and Lupul at the same time yet..We'll find out soon enough. I'm not giving up Mac for Clowe though..No such thing as too much scoring.
 
Aardvarkmayhem said:
Are CORSI numbers a good indication of being good at cycling / puck posession?

Corsi Rel. QoC

Kulemin - 2.222
JVR - 1.124
Frattin - -0.131
MacArthur - -0.239
Clowe - -0.522

It actually seems like Kulemin has had a really positive impact on the ice this year. And he seems the kind of player the Leafs can keep for fairly cheap. The team should really keep him.
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That's a strength of competition stat.

Average CORSI of opponents faced while on ice.
 
I don't really see a need that a guy like Clowe addresses for the Leafs. They could use a meaner big body on the top lines, but he ain't the guy for that job.
 
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