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Pronger84 said:
1. We already have enough big guys on the blueline and look at where its gotten us
2. Too many offensive blueliners (Phaneuf, Rielly, Gardiner, Franson) we don't need another
3. I agree we do need another top 4 right shooting D but IMO Buf isn't the answer
4. He has a bad attitude, more then enough of that already on this team no need to further pollute the waters
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We don't have a single player on the team that is 6'5 260 big. Not even close.

And we really don't have too many offensive blueliners. We have one of the lowest scoring bluelines in the league this year. Only have 13 goals from the blueline this year. Byfuglien has 11 on his own. The guy would be second on the Leafs in scoring right now.

He was a key contributor on a cup winner. If he has a bad attitude it hasn't stopped him from winning.

Byfuglien has struggled a bit defensively, but its the same thing with Phaneuf all those years here. He plays in front of shit goaltending. He'd look a lot better if every mistake he made didn't end up in the back of the net.

He's a big time weapon though. A legit top line talent with a cup ring, making $5 mill for the next 3 years. Why the hell wouldn't we want to add a guy like that if he is available. Who exactly are you waiting to acquire that is a better defenseman than Byfuglien?
 
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MyNameIsJonas said:
There's no proof saying i didn't

I was wrong on the Bernier cost, and the Phaneuf cost ( seemingly everyone was)
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This isn't a court of law. We've seen what you consider to be fair trade value for numerous Leaf players in the past and oddly, it seems to be slanted significantly in the opposite direction of what recent Leaf trade history suggests is closer to real value.
 
MindzEye said:
This isn't a court of law. We've seen what you consider to be fair trade value for numerous Leaf players in the past and oddly, it seems to be slanted significantly in the opposite direction of what recent Leaf trade history suggests is closer to real value.
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slip on dogshit.
 
Seriously dude. You just suggested a Sam Gagner for Nazem Kadri trade the other day.

So, I don't think we need to go digging into the archives to know you're not the best at evaluating trade value.
 
Seriously dude. You just suggested a Sam Gagner for Nazem Kadri trade the other day. We don't need to go digging into the archives to know you're not the best at evaluating trade value
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Or his Cam Ward for a top three pick this year!
 
LeafGm said:
Seriously dude. You just suggested a Sam Gagner for Nazem Kadri trade the other day.

So, I don't think we need to go digging into the archives to know you're not the best at evaluating trade value.
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that one isnt terrible
if you believe the kadri is being shopped
 
Okay, let's not go revisionist wild here.

First, JVR for Schenn was, at the time, a completely fair deal. At the time, JvR was a recent top 5 pick with huge question marks regarding his consistency and physicality and Luke Schenn was a recent top 5 pick with huge question marks about his skating and offensive ceiling.

JVR became and Olympian in Toronto, he wasn't one in Philly.

Second, no one could have predicted that we'd get Cody Franson for Brett Lebda. Anyone here who says they could have predicted it has a better dealer than Rob Ford.

Third, at the time of the trade, Blacker and Holland were viewed as prospects of comparative value in comparative situations. Holland was in an Anaheim system with a backlog of forward talent and many hockey prospect columnists considered this his "make or break" year. Blacker was passed on the defensive depth chart in Toronto by several younger prospects in Toronto and had been lost in the shuffle. Did Holland have more value? Yes, largely because of his AHL play. But in no way did this appear to be some sort of outlandish steal at the time. As with the JVR-Schenn deal, subsequent events have inflated Toronto's return from the trade.

Aside from the Lebda-Franson deal, none of the deals you listed were anything other than the Leafs paying market value for the worth of an asset at the time of the trade.
 
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