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I feel like Burke's said his asking price enough times that at the end of the day, HE'S going to feel like he's getting a top 6 forward in return - whether we agree or he's the level of top 6 forward we were expecting I guess is a different story. I feel comfortable with what Burke has set his asking price at though.
 
hockeylover said:
I feel like Burke's said his asking price enough times that at the end of the day, HE'S going to feel like he's getting a top 6 forward in return - whether we agree or he's the level of top 6 forward we were expecting I guess is a different story. I feel comfortable with what Burke has set his asking price at though.
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I wonder if the offers aren't up to snuff and we keep Kabs (and thus don't acquire a top 6 forward via that avenue).....if it would change Burke's opinion at all, in regards to Ilya?




....a guy can dream.
 
1st Post Draft Season CHL

Jason Allison - 2.53
Ray Whitney - 2.56
Jeff Friesen - 1.76
Geoff Courtnall - 1.27
Pat Verbeek - 1.75
Eric Daze - 1.62
Stu Barnes - 2.28
Theo Fleury - 2.46
Ron Francis - 1.92
Joe Sakic - 2.50
Glen Murray - 1.56
Luc Robitaille - 2.36
Steve Thomas - .62 (Exception)
Cliff Ronning - 2.81
Adam Graves - 1.51
Doug Gilmour - 2.60
Jerome Iginla - 2.13
Jeff O'neil - 2.18
Andrew Cassels - 2.48
Alex Tanguay - 1.97
Donald Audette - 2.30
Ray Ferraro - 1.80
Ryan Smyth - 1.72
Marc Savard - 1.81
Brad Richards - 2.22
Steve Sullivan - 1.50
Todd Bertuzzi - 1.34
Simon Gagne - 1.96
Adam Deadmarsh - 1.52
Daymond Langkow - 1.90
Danny Briere - 2.20
Mike Peca - 1.85
Cory Stillman - 1.31
Scott Walker - 1.59
Mike Ribeiro - 2.42
Michael Ryder - 1.26
Jon Cheechoo - 1.30
Jason Spezza - 1.98
Brad Boyes - 1.53
Jarret Stoll - 1.70
Brendan Morrow - 1.26
Mike Sillinger - 2.03
Andrew Brunette - 1.48
Darcy Tucker - 2.12
Jason Pominville - 1.83
JP Dumont - 1.74
David Legwand - 1.46
Derek Roy - 1.43
Jamie Langenbrunner - 1.47
Ryan Getzlaf - 1.54
Mike Richards - 1.53
Dustin Brown - 1.31
Jeff Carter - 1.16 (minor exception)
Corey Perry - 1.71
Devin Setoguchi - 1.27
Stephen Weiss - 1.52
Bobby Ryan - 1.61
Bryan Little - 1.87
Alex Burrows - .47 (Exception)
Chris Steward - 1.34
Antoine Vermette - 1.68
Wojtek Wolski - 1.09 (exception)


1st Post Draft Season NHL/AHL/IHL (PPG is draft year totals)

Mark Recchi - 2.48
Eric Lindros - 2.38
Pierre Turgeon - 2.65
Wayne Gretzky - 2.88 (*16)
Keith Primeau - 1.95
Chris Gratton - 1.87
Wendel Clark - 1.36
Brendan Shanahan - 1.64
Owen Nolan - 1.89
Vinny Damphousse - 2.24
Vinny Lecavalier - 1.98
Joe Thornton - 2.06
Mario Lemieux - 4.02
Shane Doan - 1.32
Sid Crosby - 2.70
Eric Staal - 1.48
Pat Marleau - 1.76
Jason Arnott - 1.75
Justin Williams - 1.22
Patrice Bergeron - 1.04
Rick Nash - 1.33
Nathan Horton - 1.25
Pat Kane - 2.50
PM Bouchard - 2.02
Scott Hartnell - 1.32
Steven Stamkos - 1.72
Tim Connolly - 1.48

Defenders

Al Macinnis - 1.27
Chris Pronger - 1.26 (*17)
Bryan McCabe - 1.31
Scott Niedermayer - 1.11
Sheldon Souray - .58 (if I had set a level for defenders, Souray would likely qualify as an exception)
Brian Campbell - .80
Dion Phaneuf - 1.02
Mike Green - .99
Duncan Keith - 1.24
 
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The obvious potential flaw in that analysis is that CHL production isn't normalized across era's. The guys who played in the CHL in the 90's were putting up monster numbers (Donald Audette 2.30 PPG??)

If I could get my hands on WHL/OHL/QMJHL league scoring numbers, I could normalize them, but a lot of the players who put up monster numbers in that era went on to have stellar NHL careers, HHOF worthy in many cases.
 
No worries, I'll probably go over it again when I have the inclination to, just to make sure I didn't accidentally omit players I didn't know were CHL products.
 
Outstanding stuff, ME. Interesting that you've found a fairly accurate trend throughout the years for judging future offensive ceiling.
 
I guess I just don't buy the "checking role" talk. You're either on the ice or you're not, and if you're on the ice, if you're a good offensive player, you're going to create offence. The man plays ~20 minutes a night, that's a ****load of ice time, and though 3+ of that is on the PK, 16:00 of 5 on 5 & PP time is plenty, more than most 2nd line centres and close to what a lot of 1st line centres play.
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No I disagree ME.

To talk in Toronto terms, if your linemates are Wallin and Lundmark, who are such offensive blackholes, not only it means they can't help improve your offensive numbers, it inevitably also affects the style you're going to play. Your coach tells you to play a checking role, you are told a 0Pts night where you are even is better than a 2 points night when you're -2, then you play a different game. You and your linemates are thinking 'safety' all the times. You don't gamble, and you just chip it in all the times. You don't pursue the puck unless you're sure someone has your back. It's just a different game you're playing out there.

Even Stajan's production went up when he had 1. better linemates and 2. an offensive role instead of checking role and 3. more PP time. Why is it so hard to believe Staal cannot make a 15 points improvement?

I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed with Kaberle's return
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Not if Burke is true to his words.

Burke doesn't HAVE TO trade Kaberle here. There's nothing worse than giving Kabby away like how McCabe and Kubina were given away for free. But he doesn't have to. Like he said, if he doesn't get the return he wants, he can just keep Kabby, sign him to an extension, and be perfectly happy about his 6 pack for YEARS to come.
 
Good work, Mindz. Not many exceptions there for sure.

Though Neal came close this year at 27/55. ;)

With this in mind though, Voracek looks tempting as all hell at 1.9 :eek(16):
 
Eric Staal - 1.48
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This is not fair for Jordan at all.

At 17, Eric Staal was also ~ PPG player. His numbers were almost identical to Jordan's at 17.

Eric's stat exploded at 18. At 18, Jordan was already playing for the Pittsburgh Penguins, in a checking / PK role.

And that's the role Jordan has all these years. He never developed his offensive game, but he's only 21.

Who's to say if Jordan played in the OHL at 18 he wouldn't have repeated Eric's numbers, just like he did at 17?
 
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