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We won't be able to trade Komi for anything significant. At best, you can dump his contract, and that will be it.

BUt we're trying to ADD here, not just dump.
 
Anyone who thinks our defense has been the problem is just grasping at straws.

The offense is the blame for where we are in the standings.

A terrible start for most of our top 6 forwards, terrible PP.

In 17 games:

We have been shut out 3 times.
6 games where we have scored 1 or less.
9 games where we have scored 2 or less.
12 games with 3 or less.
5 games with more then 3. [3 in the first 4 games]
9 one goal games.
 
Yeah, Beauchemin does have some trade value, and that's the point here. I agree that he is extremely unlikely to be re-signed, and that should cause Burke to casually look around the league at potential trades, since his pockets are not exactly bursting with trade chips.

He's definitely not a guy you trade just to make a trade. But if there's a match, he should be out the door. Now maybe there is a better offer out there than Setoguchi, but if the Sharks are serious about adding a D-man, I can't think of a better match off the top of my head. Both teams assume some risk (re: Seto), both get a player who has performed well in the past, both address an immediate need.

It's a good hockey deal for both sides.
 
Given To Fly said:
Anyone who thinks our defense has been the problem is just grasping at straws.

The offense is the blame for where we are in the standings.

A terrible start for most of our top 6 forwards, terrible PP.

In 17 games:

We have been shut out 3 times.
6 games where we have scored 1 or less.
9 games where we have scored 2 or less.
12 games with 3 or less.
5 games with more then 3. [3 in the first 4 games]
9 one goal games.
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There's your nutshell right there.
 
Who would you see as a better return for Beauch...

Clowe or Seto.

And San Jose loses again last night 4-3. Looks like defense could be a bigger need for them than we thought.

How's about Giguere to San Jose???
 
Niemi has NOT worked out at all (.880SV% through 6 starts ... that's Vesa bad!) and Chicago is looking very smart in dumping him. Giggy is an interesting name for them.

But Nittymaki is fine so far, so they definitely have a bigger need for d-man.

Clowe has limited skillset but does have the size, and seems to develop into a ~ 20G/55points forward, which isn't bad at all. He's also on this absolute bargain $3.6M contract for 2 more seasons ... I don't think SJ will trade him at all. Even if they do, his trade value will be pretty high.

Setoguchi, OTOH, has struggled, and is an RFA after this season. That seems like a much more likely candidate to trade.

The guy I really want out of SJ is Couture ... and it hurts everytime I realize that's the guy we gave up for Vesa. Now that's a guy I'm willing to give up Kadri for.
 
2007 Draft.

Actually, taking a quick scan at the 2007 draft, it's surprising how weak that draft was and how many top picks are looking very much like bust 3 years later.

Kane was taken 1st overall and he's already a NHL superstar who has won a cup. The Flyers used the 2nd overall pick to draft JVR, who had 35points in his rookie season last year as a 20 year old, but has struggled so far this year with 0G, 4Pts in 15 games. He might actually get sent back down to the AHL, and you'd think a 2nd overall pick would fare better than that.

The 3rd overall pick went to Phoenix, who picked Kyle Turris. If you haven't heard of his name it's not just because he plays in Phoenix, but also he has not been anything close to spectacular. In 80 NHL games over 2 seasons he has 27 points. This season through 14 games he has 4G 6Pts. Again that's a 3rd overall pick.

The 4th overall was Thomas Hickey, 5th was Alzner who's averaging 18 min a game (3rd unit). Same Gagner went 6th (bust written all over him), Voracek went 7th (good pick, working out for CBJ this season), Hamil went 8th (another bust) and Couture went 9th.

Ellerby went 10th, Brendan Sutter went 11th (just got traded yesterday) and Lars Eller went 12th to StL, who traded him to MTL.

Lars Eller has really struggled in his first pro season, with 0G 1Pt through 17 games. I said at the time of the trade MTL go so little in return for Halak and a few guys told me Eller is a real good prospect. If he is, I guess he's not showing it yet. That said, Halak isn't looking so good for StLouis neither so ...

We didn't ahve a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2007 and Dale Mitchell was our 1st pick in 3rd round. He's coming along ok.
 
MindzEye said:
You've apparently never really watched Setoguchi play. Setoguchi plays a lot closer to Kulemin's game than he does to any of those you just mentioned. He's not big, but he plays fairly big
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I've seen him play, and he perfectly fits the description I gave him (a description which also applies to the four Leafs I listed): an undersized, wanna-be top-6 forward who will struggle to get to the 50 point plateau (and frankly, considering his offensive performance last year and so far this year, that's a generous assessment). Which again, in my opinion, don't think we need any more of, no matter how "big" you feel he plays in relation to his size. Especially at the cost of a top-4 defenseman.

Hoss said:
Who would you see as a better return for Beauch...

Clowe or Seto.

And San Jose loses again last night 4-3. Looks like defense could be a bigger need for them than we thought.

How's about Giguere to San Jose???
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Clowe for sure, but San Jose's not giving up Clowe for Beauchemin. I mean, hell, San Jose apparantly thought Clowe for Kaberle was a reasonable trade offer.
 
Brandon Sutter wasn't the one traded yesterday. He's actually pretty good. 20 goals and 40 points last year as a 20 year old, and he is becoming a very strong two way center.

But yeah 2007 sucked.

The only disappointing thing about that trade was we gave up that package for Toskala instead of Vokoun.
 
Clowe is 5 years older than Setoguchi, way more expensive, isn't a better goal scorer, and even though he is bigger isn't more physical or better on the boards.
 
Wasn't it a cap issue for Fergy at the time for not going after Vokoun. He figured it would be cheaper to sign Toskala to an extension knowing Vokoun would be asking for up wards of 6 mil per.

That extra 1.7mil would have made all the difference in the world.
 
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