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If he keeps up his .908 rate (or something in that vicinity) for the rest of the season then I will definitely agree with you. Regardless, I don't think it's a good contract. But if (and granted, that's a big if), he comes close to replicating his #s from last season, it's just a bad contract, not worst in the league bad.

I used to be on the 'Kipper is waaaay overrated' bandwagon, but his play last year and at times this year has me temporarily hanging from the edge.

Not a good contract by any stretch, but I don't think it's 'worst in the league bad'.

(to be fair, I'm basing some of my opinion based on the gut feeling I have that he will improve his SV% up to ~.915ish, which isn't the best way to evaluate a player, but right now the Flames definitely have much much bigger problems. Kipper isn't exactly handicapping their team right now, the thousands of NMCs and plodding d-men are equally an issue)
 
sir pyscho sexy said:
If he keeps up his .908 rate (or something in that vicinity) for the rest of the season then I will definitely agree with you. Regardless, I don't think it's a good contract. But if (and granted, that's a big if), he comes close to replicating his #s from last season, it's just a bad contract, not worst in the league bad.

I used to be on the 'Kipper is waaaay overrated' bandwagon, but his play last year and at times this year has me temporarily hanging from the edge.

Not a good contract by any stretch, but I don't think it's 'worst in the league bad'.

(to be fair, I'm basing some of my opinion based on the gut feeling I have that he will improve his SV% up to ~.915ish, which isn't the best way to evaluate a player, but right now the Flames definitely have much much bigger problems. Kipper isn't exactly handicapping their team right now, the thousands of NMCs and plodding d-men are equally an issue)
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Fair enough.

I don't consider it "the worst contract in the league", but I do believe it belongs in the conversation. 5.83 million for a .900-.910% is horrible.

It's possible that he'll get into the .915 range, but it's not like there's no precedent for this level of play from him.
 
MindzEye said:
Well, why would we include stats that are largely irrelevant to his recent play.
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Last year was pretty recent. Just showing that it's far from the first time he's been really, really good.

Well, we evaluate offensive players with the ppg or points statistic.
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Which is just as ridiculous. (If it's the only thing you look at when evaluating a player.)

It's by far the more important goaltending statistic.
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Both of these are the most important stats. I am not questioning that. But there are other stats and other things to evaluate as well, for all positions.

Only, it clearly is. He's one of the highest paid goalies in the league when in 3 of the last 4 NHL seasons, he's been one of the worst starters.
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Not going to go around in circles in this discussion but again, you can make the argument that he's not worth the contract; you can make the argument that's it's not a good contract; but that's not the argument you're making.

I don't know where it would fall on the list, but including it in the top 3 or 4 worst contracts is just ignoring the reality of just how many bad contracts there are out there, that are worse.
 
drewser said:
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Leafs don't expect any trade activity before Burke's holiday roster freeze goes into effect today.
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Of course not...

We'll make a big trade at the deadline when there is only a handful of games left in the season.
 
You really can't talk about contracts in a bubble like this, nor can you compare contracts that were signed before the lockout to ones signed after.

So many factors involved in contracts like trade market, player market, location of franchise, status of team, status of GM, player's agent, etc...

What options did Calgary have when Kipprusoff needed to re-up?
 
Jonas Siegel J.S. Giguere very concerned by latest groin injury, the 3rd in less than a month.

Maybe we'll be seeing Riemer start an NHL game sooner than we think? Hope so.
 
Well Giguere being injured is exactly what a good organization would want at this point. But MLSE is wincing and groaning like the cheap muthafukas that they are, because now they can't trade this MUTT.

Instead they are going to have put him on the injury List. Hahahaha. Serves them right.

Hopefully he recovers at the deadline so we can trade him for a pick.

Its a sad season. With no apparent bright lights at the end of the tunnel.

I sure hope Burke trades Phaneuf for a first at the deadline, I think Dion is totally braindead and in love with himself. When his game is on, he is a wow, when he is OFF, he is a team and coach killer. I have never seen someone so up and down for a captain.
 
If he is getting injured during the games he should pull himself. I am so sick of athletes trying to play through injuries and all they do is hurt the team.
 
Aberdeen said:
Jonas Siegel J.S. Giguere very concerned by latest groin injury, the 3rd in less than a month.

Maybe we'll be seeing Riemer start an NHL game sooner than we think? Hope so.
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not a big surprise.

I think it was that big cross-crease save he made that did it. After that save he looked really, really bad.

might be time for surgery.
 
Anyone want to take bets on how long before Burke resigns??? And suddenly resurfaces in the US, probably with Boston?
 
teeds said:
Anyone want to take bets on how long before Burke resigns??? And suddenly resurfaces in the US, probably with Boston?
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Chiarelli has exposed him for what he is. Why would he, who schooled him so hard in one of the best trades in Bruins franchise history, be replaced by Burke, or worse yet, bring aboard someone like him as an assistant?

If anything, Boston is the last place he'd resurface if he got the boot. But I don't think he's gonna get the boot for years, so the boot point is a moot point for some time yet.
 
Again, the trade wasn't a bad trade. It is the position of the draft picks that Burke's shitty teams are giving up that are bad.

If Burke had built even mediocre teams and the trade was 1st (13th), 2nd (43rd), and 1st (17th)....the trade is a laugher in our favour. Burke has built garbage teams since the trade, that's the problem.
 
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