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BG said:
His team is flushing the toilet after the prospect of missing another year of playoffs - I'd guess they're not asking a ransom for the players they've put on the block.

I'm not saying the Leafs should pony up the future for the kid - but he's worth taking a chance on as a high draft pick with untapped potential.
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again, not worth it.. he'll just make immature comments like "DURRR TRANSLATED TO ENGLISH: LEAFMAN101 IS RIGHT LOLZ"
 
Don't even start. I was having a civil conversation with BG. You just started throwing dirt when I "dissed" your boy-toy, and I have no problem reaching down to your level to show you how its done.
 
Weiss is going to be 27 years old next month. I don't know how much longer he can hold the 'young and improving' label.

I like Weiss as a 2nd line, 60ish point centre, but I'd rather give his minutes to Bozak and Kadri at this point. Unless Burke can get a clear upgrade at centre, I'd like to see the Leafs give their young players a chance first.
 
leafman101 said:
Because the Panthers are just so great, and deep.

D has always been a knock on Weiss. Always.
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So Weiss should just be on the ice all the time? You don't have to win the Selke to be a decent defensive player. He wasn't drafted as a shutdown centre.
 
All the flaming aside ... I don't get it. Weiss, at 26, is not exactly 'young' for a guy just 'breaking out' right now ... and not like he's 'breaking out' to something special neither. He's on 25G/60Pts pace.

If he comes as a cheap FA then MAYBE there'd be some interest, but for the Leafs to have to give up SOMETHING for him, why not just go with the UFA Matt Stajan??

I'm not arguing Stajan is better or has higher potential, but Weiss hasn't really shown he's head and shoulder better than Stajan, yet one's an RFA and one's an UFA.

The Leafs need elite forward, which Weiss clearly is not. At least not at the moment.

The Leafs can also use some size up front, which unfortunately Weiss also does NOT provide.

Sorry, but I really don't see the point.
 
Hey, I'd take Horton in a heartbeat.

It's my opinion that Weiss would come cheap, and has similar upside when put in the right situation.
 
The reality is the Leafs have 2 very good young centers (Bozak, Kadri), one solid young center (Hanson), and a legit 2nd line center (Grabo).

They could obviously use a legit #1, but there is no point in taking away the young guys ice time for more veteran 2nd liners.

Its not like a 60 point center will be the difference between a cup and no cup next year. Let the young talent play if you can't add a substantial building block.
 
leafman101 said:
Player is right. If you are dealing with Florida, Horton is the priority.
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really? weiss is just a 2nd liner that has improved steadily has last two seasons due to being healthier than earlier in his career, but horton is a first liner? i don't know about you, but there's only room for 1 hog on this team.. we already have kessel, i don't want to deal with horton, who really isn't good enough to hog at all... oh, and horton would cost much more than weiss, even with their similar upsides.

whatever, thank goodness we have burkie as gm instead of our fans, hhahahahahaha
 
bozak is actually a very good comparable to weiss. a very similar player. of course, bozak does have some untapped upside that weiss simply no longer has.

speaking of which, people have to stop using the word 'potential' when discussing stephen weiss. he is almost 27 years old. he's had a solid start to this season but still looks like a 60-65 point guy max. really, his totals are only up because his goal scoring is up and that, frankly, looks like an anomaly. this could well be just like gomez's 05-06.

is weiss better than stajan? perhaps slightly, but at the end of the day these guys are all in a pretty similar class of players. they're just good-to-excellent second line centres. nothing spectacular. nice players to have.

of course, given that the leafs already have bozak i want nothing to do with weiss and his $4mn per year salary.
 
Preston_Mizzi said:
really? weiss is just a 2nd liner that has improved steadily has last two seasons due to being healthier than earlier in his career, but horton is a first liner? i don't know about you, but there's only room for 1 hog on this team.. we already have kessel, i don't want to deal with horton, who really isn't good enough to hog at all... oh, and horton would cost much more than weiss, even with their similar upsides.

whatever, thank goodness we have burkie as gm instead of our fans, hhahahahahaha
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they don't have similar upsides.

horton is already the better player and actually has upside. weiss? not so much any more.

weiss has a grabovski factor to him. he's a damn good skater, and it makes people thikn he is better than he actually is.
 
leafman101 said:
I said he was above-average defensively.

Which he is. Like you said though, he's not a defensive wiz.
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Very few offensive players are defensive wizz.. defensively wizard-like. Weiss would be at least as good defensively as anyone we can currently put on the ice, and a more consistant offensive theat (again IMO).
 
Its an interesting opportunity. Sexon hasn't really been tested as a GM. He kind of was in Ottawa, but couldn't do anything (though in fairness he had nothing to work with). He was kind of thrown into the GM job in Florida as a last resort. He also spent the last few years learning under a guy who isn't really a GM. To top it off he was a business guy when he got involved with the Sens expansion team.

Could be a good opportunity to steal Horton.
 
normally i would agree with msun, but weiss had injury problems in his first few seasons.. he played through nagging injuries in his first 3-4 seaosns in the league. now that he's healthy, he's finally taking the strides he would have taken a long time ago.

i would definitely take a flyer on him if we can get him at a decent price.. he's a much safer bet than bozak and has higher upside due to his speed, skill and strength
 
msun30 said:
they don't have similar upsides.

horton is already the better player and actually has upside. weiss? not so much any more.

weiss has a grabovski factor to him. he's a damn good skater, and it makes people thikn he is better than he actually is.
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nah, grabovski just stick handles a lot.. weiss actually gets things done. ask any panther fan.. they'll tell you they like weiss much more than horton.
 
he doesn't have higher upside than a player who, physically, is basically a carbon copy, who is producing at a similar rate and who is 3 years younger.

he has no tangible advantage over bozak in terms of speed, skill or strength. in fact, he's smaller than bozak. they're both smallish, skill centres who are very smart, very quick and responsible defensively.

except bozak is showing more at a younger age and with less experience than we saw from weiss.

as for nagging injuries and breaking out -- in his mid 20s he has gone from a 40-50 point guy to a 60-65 point guy. i think that has more to do with age and maturation than staying healthy.

he has also plateaued from last season. the guy's got talent but he isn't a burgeoning first liner. he's a second line centre, and won't be more than that.
 
Preston_Mizzi said:
nah, grabovski just stick handles a lot.. weiss actually gets things done. ask any panther fan.. they'll tell you they like weiss much more than horton.
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i never said they were equal talents.

what i said is that people overrate him because of his skating, just like people overrate grabovski because of his skating.
 
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