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if you replace stephen weiss with vincent lecavalier it becomes a totally different argument. but the point is that stephen weiss just isn't good enough to justify the expense to acquire him, the amount of cap space you'd have to allot for him, and the opportunity he'd be taking away from tyler bozak or nazim kadri.

...unless you believe that he just needs a change of scenery to reach his potential (ala Ribeiro).
 
Backes is a better fit, cost less in salary, and would be cheaper to acquire........and he's able to play both the wing and center.


Can't wait to land him.
 
ribeiro's productivity boost had to do with opportunity... going from about 16+ mpg in 05-06 and 15 mpg in 06-07 (when he was a 50-60 point guy) to 18+ in 07-08 (when he became a ppg player).
 
I think you're going to see Florida overhaul their forward core -- they just can't score. They've had the same core upfront for a few years now and nothing has changed.

The thing is, they've got a decent blueline -- McCabe, Seidenberg, Leopold, Allen, Ballard, Kulikov is a solid mix of youth and vets. And they've got a very good goalie in Vokoun with a top goalie prospect in Markstrom not to far away. They need find some goals because the current group just isn't cutting it.
 
Their problem up front is going to be the same when they're done, as it is now...they're thin as hell. After Horton & Weiss they've got nothing. Steve Reinprecht is their 3rd leading scorer, and he's been on the side of milk cartons in south Florida for the last 8 weeks (23 points in his first 27 games....10 points in his last 34....pointless in 13)

They have Weiss signed to a decent deal, and Horton signed to a decent deal...they need to be adding legit top 6 forwards to that group, not blowing up what little talent they have because they haven't been able to do it all by themselves.
 
it has more to do with a lack of talent than the team's system.

This

Still-Weiss-Horton
Olesz-Reinprecht-Frolik
Campbell-Kreps-Dvorak


That's every bit as bad as our forward group (after the trades)....and they've been running with that pretty much all year.

Of course, they have Booth back to add to the mix, but he's still shaking a pretty serious concussion off and hasn't been himself
 
Their problem up front is going to be the same when they're done, as it is now...they're thin as hell. After Horton & Weiss they've got nothing. Steve Reinprecht is their 3rd leading scorer, and he's been on the side of milk cartons in south Florida for the last 8 weeks (23 points in his first 27 games....10 points in his last 34....pointless in 13)

They have Weiss signed to a decent deal, and Horton signed to a decent deal...they need to be adding legit top 6 forwards to that group, not blowing up what little talent they have because they haven't been able to do it all by themselves.


The problem is, what other assets can they trade that will bring back legit talent?

This is a team that's drafted high in the draft consistently, yet don't have many assets to show for it.

Vokoun's probably their best trade chip, but goaltenders, even the really good ones, don't bring back great returns (unless you're dealing with JFJ).
 
If they couldn't score because of the 5 on 5 system they played, but had a decent amount of talent,they wouldn't be 27th in the league on the PP.
 
Backes is precisely the type of player this team needs. And if he's still in any way shape or form available.......Burke will acquire him.

He's the type of player the Habs need. Him and Horton would fit in great with the Habs... unfortunately we don't have a GM with enough balls to make it happen. I could see Burke getting it done though.
 
The problem is, what other assets can they trade that will bring back legit talent?

This is a team that's drafted high in the draft consistently, yet don't have many assets to show for it.

Vokoun's probably their best trade chip, but goaltenders, even the really good ones, don't bring back great returns (unless you're dealing with JFJ).

Honestly, they don't have much....but with Horton, Weiss, & Booth all locked in long term at reasonable prices, they have the time to see what Frolik turns into, as well as allows their decent stable of prospects time to turn into assets before they go throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Sure, they need a change, but when has a fire sale ever been the answer? Especially a fire sale before the 2 weakest drafts in recent years....
 
18 yrs old:
Horton: 55 gms, 14 gls, 22 pts (82 gms, 21 gls, 33 pts)
Weiss: 7 gms, 1 gl, 2 pts (82 gms, 12 gls, 23 pts)


19 yrs old:
Horton: N/A
Weiss: 77 gms, 6 gls, 21 pts (82 gms, 6 gls, 22 pts)


20 yrs old:
Horton: 71 gms, 28 gls, 47 pts (82 gms, 32 gls, 54 pts)
Weiss: 50 gms, 12 gls, 29 pts (82 gms, 20 gls, 48 pts)


21 yrs old:
Horton: 82 gms, 31 gls, 62 pts (82 gms, 31 gls, 62 pts)
Weiss: N/A


22 yrs old:
Horton: 82 gms, 27 gls, 62 pts (82 gms, 27 gls, 62 pts)
Weiss: 41 gms, 9 gls, 21 pts (82 gms, 18 gls, 42 pts)


23 yrs old:
Horton: 67 gms, 22 gls, 45 pts (82 gms, 27 gls, 55 pts)
Weiss: 74 gms, 20 gls, 48 pts (82 gms, 22 gls, 53 pts)


24 yrs old:
Horton: 51 gms, 17 gls, 46 pts (82 gms, 27 gls, 74 pts)
Weiss: 74 gms, 13 gls, 42 pts (82 gms, 14 gls, 47 pts)





Horton was better at similar ages as Weiss. And you have to remember, powerforwards typically take longer to develop as well. At 24/25, Horton's just coming into his prime as a powerforward.


Why not at least show Weiss' last couple years?

25 years old:
Weiss: 78 gp, 14 g 61 p (82 gp 15g 64p)

26 years old:
Weiss: 59 gp, 21 g 48 p (82 gp 29g 67p)

Weiss has really made great strides the last couple years. I'm not sure how much more he'll improve but it looks like he could easily be a 25-30g 70p+ guy who is solid at both ends. That's a very good second line center who could easily fill in on the top line if necessary.
 
I think you're going to see Florida overhaul their forward core -- they just can't score. They've had the same core upfront for a few years now and nothing has changed.

The thing is, they've got a decent blueline -- McCabe, Seidenberg, Leopold, Allen, Ballard, Kulikov is a solid mix of youth and vets. And they've got a very good goalie in Vokoun with a top goalie prospect in Markstrom not to far away. They need find some goals because the current group just isn't cutting it.

Actually, the reason the Panthers have been solid defensively is Keaton Ellerby's solid play.




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