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Never say never. Is Quinn there? He of all people probably appreciates Kaberle. And its not like Pat is getting any younger, or Lowe. I think they wouldn't mind winning, and WE KNOW that Burke likes to pay for what he wants.

Honestly, if he could trade Kaberle, Schenn, Stalberg for Hall and Horcoff, wouldn't that be regarded as pretty rich for one guy essentially?

But wouldn't Leaf fans eat it right UP?

And wouldn't Kaberle, Schenn and Stalberg be good for the Oilers?

And Burke could be grinning from ear to ear cause he gets his number one pick, the only pick he really cares about, BACK?

Would the Oilers make the playoffs with that injection? Maybe not.

Look at what he paid to get Kessel, the Sedins, Pronger. The guy is loud man.
 
That would be a terrible, terrible, terrible, trade for the Leafs. Horcoff's contract has a tremendously negative value given his complete lack of production and $5.5 million cap hit, while Hall, as highly touted a prospect as he is, is an unproven commodity that can't measure up to a top five draft pick two years removed from his draft and who teams were requesting in a trade for the second overall pick in last year's draft, a promising young forward prospect that was a Hobey Baker finalist a year ago in the NCAA, and a four-time all-star defenceman with one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league. It makes little sense on either end.
 
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Hoss said:
the problem Edmonton has is that even if they cleared salary... they cannot build their team through Free agency. I mean No one wants to play there unless they are overpaid greatly, and then you are in the same boat you started with. They have to get guys like Hall (Alberta boy anyway and keep him there)
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Hall's from Kingston, dude.
 
Habsy said:
Did you really just imply Kaberle and Grabovski is too much for Iginla? Really?
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Yes Habsy, that is what I'm implying.

When you're trying to trade a 32 year old power forward with $21M left on his contract, you simply cannot expect fair return.


And, Edmonton is NOT trading their first overall pick. Don't be silly. There will be a riot in Edmonton if they do.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
That would be a terrible, terrible, terrible, trade for the Leafs. Horcoff's contract has a tremendously negative value given his complete lack of production and $5.5 million cap hit, while Hall, as highly touted a prospect as he is, is an unproven commodity that can't measure up to a top five draft pick two years removed from his draft and who teams were requesting in a trade for the second overall pick in last year's draft, a promising young forward prospect that was a Hobey Baker finalist a year ago in the NCAA, and a four-time all-star defenceman with one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league. It makes little sense on either end.
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I was mucho unimpressed with Hall at the WJC. Could be youthful exuberance or just selfish stupidity. The latter is poison.
 
IrishWolfman said:
Hall was born in Calgary, his dad Steve was playing for the Stamps. But you're correct that he played most of his minor hockey in Kingston.
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Not according to HockeyDB.

Taylor Hall
Center
Born Nov 14 1991 -- Kingston, ONT
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Elite Prospects has him born in Calgary though.

Pos Name Born Birthplace CM KG L/R Drafted by
F Taylor Hall 1991-11-14 Calgary, AB, CAN 183 82 L
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Kind of weird that there wouldn't be a comprehensive consensus on that.
 
When Burke sees a prize, he doesn't seem to mind loading up the truck. Gotta give to get I think is his motto. If he sends Horcoff to the minors, well......................... I would be impressed with MLSE. But I just don't see MLSE ever sending anyone to the minors making big dough. Do you?
 
teeds said:
When Burke sees a prize, he doesn't seem to mind loading up the truck. Gotta give to get I think is his motto. If he sends Horcoff to the minors, well......................... I would be impressed with MLSE. But I just don't see MLSE ever sending anyone to the minors making big dough. Do you?
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They haven't even sent Jeff Finger to the AHL yet. And he makes 2 million per season less than Horcoff, and by virtue of his play he's a player that actually belongs in the AHL.

So, no, I don't really see it happening either.
 
Does Horcoff at least play a solid defensive game??? could he be a 5.5 million dollar third line centre?? I mean if your fourth line is Hanson, your first line is Bozak and your paying Hall a rookie salary. Can you afford it. The number at the end is the only one that matters.

Hall was on TSN last week for the draft and he stated he grew up being a Flames fan in Alberta (was asked about playing for Edmonton) Straight from the FAS horse's mouth.
 
Burke REALLY wanted Tavares last season, but I'm not sure Hall is the guy to give up half the team for.

It's funny people criticize Burke for giving up 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd for Kessel, but think Kaberle + Grabs + Schenn for Hall + bad contract in Horcoff is a good deal????

It just once again shows the unrealistic over-value of highly touted prospects and draft picks.
 
Nobody wants to play in Edmonton. If they draft Hall they get a potential young star who is forced to stay there for a number of years, which makes him tremendously valuable. Why should they give that up?

Star-calibre talent making low wages is the top asset you can have in the cap system. Not overrated in the least.
 
How many guys produce star numbers in the first 3 years of their contract?

Not many.

And after 3 years they are all making the big bucks anyway. So they aren't cheap for very long. (They aren't even really that cheap to begin with).
 
IrishWolfman said:
Hall was born in Calgary, his dad Steve was playing for the Stamps. But you're correct that he played most of his minor hockey in Kingston.
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This is correct

Although Hall was born in Calgary, Alberta, his family moved to Kingston, Ontario when he was 13 and played minor hockey with the Greater Kingston Predators
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This is why some sites just put him down as born in Kingston.

Check wiki and the sources if you want proof.
 
No, but its $4 million you can't spend elsewhere. For a team like Edmonton, who spends to the cap every year, and makes money (made $10 mill last year according to Forbes), cap dollars are more important/relevant than actual dollars.

Proven star players > maybe star players one day
 
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