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hockeylover said:
I don't think he would've done it either, but I don't think Cammalleri/Kessel was an either/or situation. If he landed Cammalleri I think he still would've tried to pry a 22 year old Kessel out of Boston.
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I agree, but keep in mind we're playing the hindsight game. Knowing he'd be giving up a # 2 overall pick (plus another 1st and 2nd), Burke doesn't make the Kessel trade, period. Cammy is irrelevant to the equation.

We're talking about him because Burke did go after him as an FA, just not hard enough to get his name on a contract. We'd be in even more dire need of scoring without Kessel, plus he wowed everyone in the playoffs.
 
axlsalinger said:
I agree, but keep in mind we're playing the hindsight game. Knowing he'd be giving up a # 2 overall pick (plus another 1st and 2nd), Burke doesn't make the Kessel trade, period. Cammy is irrelevant to the equation.

We're talking about him because Burke did go after him as an FA, just not hard enough to get his name on a contract. We'd be in even more dire need of scoring without Kessel, plus he wowed everyone in the playoffs.
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Exactly.

The actual key here is #2 pick. I believe Burke does the deal regardless for anything other than Seguin or Hall. When he made the deal he already knew 2011 is going to be a crap draft year so that is no big deal. He never expected the leafs to finish where they did. I am certain he thought he'd be giving up somewhere between #7-10 at worst. Kessel is definitely worth that.

For Hall or Seguin though? I don't think he does the deal. Both those kids will be in the NHL next year.
 
I gotta agree that Burke would not have made the trade if he knew it would be top 2. Anything but top 2 and he probably pulls the trigger. It was an absolute worst case scenario.

That still doesn't mean we lost the trade though. We won't know that for a a few years.
 
No, I never meant to imply that the Leafs lost the deal at all. Just that he would have had the Leafs further along concentrating on another UFA and getting a Seguin/Hall player. Like you said, it was the was the worst case scenario.
 
The curse would dictate that we would finally finish in a good position the year that we didn't have a freaking pick.

The good news is, if we trade Kaberle, keep playing J.S. Giguere and don't sign anyone all that great, we can still finish LAST OVERALL next year.

Oooops, we don't have a pick next year either. Well, you gotta figure its last place overall coming right up then. Doncha?
 
Habsy said:
Exactly.

The actual key here is #2 pick. I believe Burke does the deal regardless for anything other than Seguin or Hall. When he made the deal he already knew 2011 is going to be a crap draft year so that is no big deal. He never expected the leafs to finish where they did. I am certain he thought he'd be giving up somewhere between #7-10 at worst. Kessel is definitely worth that.

For Hall or Seguin though? I don't think he does the deal. Both those kids will be in the NHL next year.
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Agreed.
 
Habsy said:
Where did you guys hear Columbus' pick is on the table?
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Simmons mentioned it in the Sun on Sunday, that the story going around this years playoffs is that Columbus wants to get back into the playoffs and wants immediate help to do that... so much so that the 4th pick is very much in play.
 
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/steve_simmons/2010/05/30/14188731.html

Columbus holds the fourth pick in the NHL draft and there is all kinds of speculation around the Stanley Cup final that the Blue Jackets are under pressure to make the playoffs and may not have the time or inclination to wait for yet another player to develop. Don’t be surprised if Brian Burke makes an attempt to deal Tomas Kaberle and more to Columbus to try and get an early pick ...
 
who looks good at 4... I don't follow the youngsters much until they make the show.

I also think that if Burke does get the 4th, he would package that off with a bit of a salary dump (like Grabs) for something better.
 
Hoss said:
who looks good at 4... I don't follow the youngsters much until they make the show.

I also think that if Burke does get the 4th, he would package that off with a bit of a salary dump (like Grabs) for something better.
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My ideal would be for Burkie to get the 4th Overall pick, then trade down with Carolina (who want one of the big defensemen), acquiring the 46th and 85th overall pick in addition to the 7th Overall pick for the 4th Overall pick. Then use the 7th Overall pick to draft Portland's Ryan Johansen who is, in my opinion, the only centre in the draft other than Tyler Seguin with franchise potential.

That having been said, if Burkie gets the 4th overall pick it's because he's got a player he wants in his sights. My guess then is that player is either Brandon Gormley (a very smart, mobile two-way defenseman a la Duncan Keith) or Erik Gudbranson (a big, mean, mobile defender with a booming slapshot who eats minutes)
 
Connolly has sick talent though. If they think his hip is okay he will be there at #4 as I believe Florida will go with Fowler/Gudbranson.
 
I agree, but keep in mind we're playing the hindsight game. Knowing he'd be giving up a # 2 overall pick (plus another 1st and 2nd), Burke doesn't make the Kessel trade, period. Cammy is irrelevant to the equation.
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You just agreed with me and then argued with me by saying something I said also.

I started off my post with "I don't think he does it either".
 
I've maintained from day 1 that the Kessel trade was a good trade by the Leafs. They gave up a lot, but of course you give up a lot to get a 21 year old 30-40 goal scorer with 50 goal potential.
The fact that the 2010 1st rounder become Seguin or Hall is inconsequential. That pick is the Bruins' pick now. It doesn't matter if it's #2 or #22. The price of the deal has never changed. The Leafs were getting nothing out of the 1st round in 2010 and 2011, they were getting Kessel instead... what other teams end up with doesn't matter.

In hindsight? I guess if you wanna have some fun and discuss it... there is no way that if the Kessel trade never took place last year that today Burke would trade the #2 overall and the #32 overall plus their 1st pick next year for Kessel. That would be a brutal trade, but that wasn't the trade almost a year ago. That trade was two 1sts and a 2nd.... no specifics.

Obviously we could never know what would have happened if that trade falls through anyways. Perhaps Burke makes a trade for Kovalchuk and the leafs finish 9th and then lose Kovalchuk when he doesn't want to re-sign in TO.... you just never know.
 
axlsalinger said:
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/steve_simmons/2010/05/30/14188731.html

Columbus holds the fourth pick in the NHL draft and there is all kinds of speculation around the Stanley Cup final that the Blue Jackets are under pressure to make the playoffs and may not have the time or inclination to wait for yet another player to develop. Don’t be surprised if Brian Burke makes an attempt to deal Tomas Kaberle and more to Columbus to try and get an early pick ...
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Important thing to keep in mind though....Steve Simmons is an idiot. Don't be surprised if Brian Burke deals his most trade-able asset for a draft pick, when that move would run exactly counter to pretty much everything he's said or done since taking over as this team's GM? Sure, Steve.
 
LeafGm said:
Important thing to keep in mind though....Steve Simmons is an idiot. Don't be surprised if Brian Burke deals his most trade-able asset for a draft pick, when that move would run exactly counter to pretty much everything he's said or done since taking over as this team's GM? Sure, Steve.
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The salient point. Simmons just makes shit up.
 
LeafGm said:
Important thing to keep in mind though....Steve Simmons is an idiot. Don't be surprised if Brian Burke deals his most trade-able asset for a draft pick, when that move would run exactly counter to pretty much everything he's said or done since taking over as this team's GM? Sure, Steve.
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I'm skeptical too...i think burke only moves TK for a T6 F
 
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he has really heard the Columbus pick is in play. As for the part about Burke, could very easily be speculation on his part.
 
Brian Burke to be on Hockey Central at 12:05pm today. Not that I expect anything earth shattering but maybe there will be a few tidbits.
 
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