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if we traded Kaberle for the 4th and kept the pick, we'd probably take Connolly or Johansen or another forward in the same draft position.
 
hockeylover said:
Skinner's a forward.
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I know, but a couple dmen were mentioned as possible picks at #4. I don't think it makes much sense for the Leafs to trade Kaberle for a dman.

You hate to pick based more on need, but if there are a few prospects rated rather equally, the Leafs need to take the forward.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
I like the Skinner kid. He put up some terrific numbers this year.

What pick is he expected to go? Is 4 too high for him?
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4th is wayyyyyyyyyy too high for Skinny, although he might be the second-best pure scorer in the draft after Hall. I think that you take him 9th at best and most likely in the 10-12 range.
 
Perhaps you could target Dallas' 11th pick and get more than just a draft choice in return for Kaberle, an NHL ready forward.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
4th is wayyyyyyyyyy too high for Skinny, although he might be the second-best pure scorer in the draft after Hall. I think that you take him 9th at best and most likely in the 10-12 range.
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If he's possibly the 2nd purest scorer in the draft, why would 4th be too high?

The most valuable commodity in the NHL are top scorers.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
I know, but a couple dmen were mentioned as possible picks at #4. I don't think it makes much sense for the Leafs to trade Kaberle for a dman.

You hate to pick based more on need, but if there are a few prospects rated rather equally, the Leafs need to take the forward.
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You never ever draft according to need because of the fluctuation in positional strength form year to year. BPA. Every. Single. Time.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
If he's possibly the 2nd purest scorer in the draft, why would 4th be too high?

The most valuable commodity in the NHL are top scorers.
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Because Skinner has a much higher likelyhood of busting than Johansen and El Nino do and the former arguably has franchise potential as a play-making centre while the latter is the closest player to Iginla to come out of the draft since Iggy himself.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
You never ever draft according to need because of the fluctuation in positional strength form year to year. BPA. Every. Single. Time.
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Like I said, if you have 3 or 4 prospects rated rather equally, like many suggest is the situation after the first 2 picks, it makes sense for the Leafs to take a forward over a defender.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Because Skinner has a much higher likelyhood of busting than Johansen and El Nino do and the former arguably has franchise potential as a play-making centre while the latter is the closest player to Iginla to come out of the draft since Iggy himself.
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I'd rather take the kid with the highest upside.

I'd rather go for the homerun over the double with a top 5 pick.
 
I don't see a compelling reason for Burke to target the 4th pick at all unless he plans to flip if for an NHL ready forward.
 
I heard something about bobby ryan or possibly patrick sharp for kaberle and a few other commodities.
 
topher. said:
I heard something about bobby ryan or possibly patrick sharp for kaberle and a few other commodities.
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Was there a voice blowing in the wind or something less credible, like Simmons.

edit - I hope it happens by the way, Ryan in particular.
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
4th is wayyyyyyyyyy too high for Skinny, although he might be the second-best pure scorer in the draft after Hall. I think that you take him 9th at best and most likely in the 10-12 range.
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I think that's what i remember too. 11th or 12th for Skinner.

But coming back to this Kaberle trade rumor ... I think it's a perfect example that shows how overrated draft picks can be.

We all talk about how great it'd be to trade a star defenseman like Kaberle for a top pick ... 4th overall sounds sexy enough, until you start attaching names to it, all of a sudden you realize you're getting yourself an unproven prospect who has the possibility to be a total bust, is not a lock to become a star player, and takes years to develop in any case.

Like PTBNL, I'd rather get a proven young forward than a pick ...
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Like I said, if you have 3 or 4 prospects rated rather equally, like many suggest is the situation after the first 2 picks, it makes sense for the Leafs to take a forward over a defender.
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The thing is, they're not ranked rather equally. There's a clear-cut hierarchy:

Seguin
Hall





Connolly
Gormley
Gudbranson
Fowler
Neidereitter
Johansen



Skinner
Forbort
Burmistrov
 
JaysCyYoung said:
The thing is, they're not ranked rather equally. There's a clear-cut hierarchy:

Seguin
Hall





Connolly
Gormley
Gudbranson
Fowler
Neidereitter
Johansen



Skinner
Forbort
Burmistrov
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According to your list, you have a bunch of forwards and defenders together in the 2nd group. My point is, take the highest rated forward of that tier.

I still think Skinner belongs in that 2nd tier based on the season he had.
 
You only say that because all you can see are his numbers. The fact of the matter is that he would be ranked a lot higher if there were not significant deficiencies in his game. You see the shiny 50 goals and think top five pick but that's not how the draft works.
 
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