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Here's the trade offers I've heard for Kaberle

Offer #1 (Buffalo)

To Toronto: Roy or Powminville

To Buffalo: Kaberle

Offer #2 (Washington)

To Toronto: Semin

To Washington: Kaberle, Blackner

Offer #3 (Columbus)

To Toronto: 1st rounder (4th overall)

To Columbus: Kaberle

Offer #4 (Boston)

To Toronto: Krejci

To Boston: Kaberle
 
Re: Ian White

1)White won't come cheap, Calgary would match anything that was cheap
2)White can't replace Kaberle
3)White won't come cheap.
 
If the columbus deal is still on the table, I'd sweeten it:

To Toronto: Vorchek, 1st rounder (4th overall)

To Columbus: Kaberle, Kulemin, Grabvoski
 
If these are rumours, please source them. It's starting to get really HFish around here with all the random trade ideas.
 
trading voracek doesn't really go with the previous posts that Columbus is looking to trade the 4th overall because they want players who can get them back into the playoffs next year. So why would they want to get rid of a player like Voracek???
 
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=323787
On Sunday on Toronto radio station AM 640, Burke discussed the latest news, or lack thereof as the Leafs attempt to re-sign forward Nikolai Kulemin.

Burke stated that the talks have hit a standstill and that he believes that the player and his agent are overvaluing the services of the Russian winger who had 16 goals and 20 assists in 78 games last season.

"We haven't exchanged proposals in a couple of weeks now," Burke admitted to AM 640.

"While they can say: ‘he was on your first line last year,' there is no one who would say Nikolai Kulemin is a first line left winger. He's a first line left winger by default because we did not have a very good team. I'm not paying for someone who gets the position by default."
 
trading voracek doesn't really go with the previous posts that Columbus is looking to trade the 4th overall because they want players who can get them back into the playoffs next year. So why would they want to get rid of a player like Voracek???

Because the thing they lack most is an elite puck moving defender.

Looking at their roster composition

Nash, Brassard, Huselius, Vermette, Voracek, Umberger

Stralman, Tyutin, Russell, Hejda, Commodore, Klesla


If getting into the playoffs next year is the goal, they need Kaberle a lot more than that top 6 needs Voracek.

They can also flip that 4th overall for forward help, especially if guy's like Spezza, Thornton, etc are available.
 

Very common RFA standoff. Kulemin and his agent are arguing that he's a 1st line winger, and throwing a few names with comparable production out there to argue that he's worth 3+ million, while Burke counters with what was just said and I'm sure he's using production comparables that make ~2 million.

This happens every year to numerous teams. The only threat to the Leafs here is if Kulemin decides to leave for Russia and that isn't overly likely imo. Other than that there are only a handful of likely outcomes

1) July 1 hits, nobody fires an offer sheet Kulemin's way and he accepts Burkes offer on the short term, probably a 2 year 4.5ish deal

2) July 1 hits, an offer sheet is thrown at him within a reasonable amount of time and depending the the compensation offered (which obviously depends on the size of the offer sheet) Burke decides whether to match or take the compensation

3) July 1 hits, no offer sheet, and this turns into a protracted standoff. It's only in this scenario do I see a 1-2 yr deal to Russia becoming more likely.

As I've mentioned previously, Kulemin isn't in the same position that a player like Kovalchuk is in, where he can take more money in Russia and still come back to the NHL in 2-3 years to a King's Ransom of a contract. If Kulemin leaves for more money in Russia, he comes back under our control at the same offer level from us (or if his right are traded) by whomever owns his rights. The only way for him to get the money he thinks he's worth at the NHL level is to earn it in this next contract period.

Go out and score 50-60 goals over the next 2 seasons combined and now you're looking at 4+ million dollar contract offers.
 
Burke is absolutely right. Kulemin was a first liner because of the team he was on. He's a good young player but he wants too much.
 
Re: Ian White

I wouldn't risk giving up anymore "corporate assets" for players that aren't a necessity. Extra pick for a top 6 forward, yes....Ian White...love the stache but no.
 
If the columbus deal is still on the table, I'd sweeten it:

To Toronto: Vorchek, 1st rounder (4th overall)

To Columbus: Kaberle, Kulemin, Grabvoski

Provided they would do the Kaberle for the #4 overall pick... do you think that giving them Kulemin and Grabovski for Voracek is "sweetening the pot?" It's definitely sweetening the pot for the Leafs but I can't imagine the BJs even considering it for a second.
 
hey.... phaneuf Aulie and Sjostrom for...wait for it.... Stajan, Hagman, White and Mayers.


nuf said.
 
Teams that are actually interested in Kaberle

Washington Capitals: Willing to offer up Semin for Kaberle and Blackner

Vancouver Canucks: If this goes down Hodgson will be coming to the leafs.

San Jose Sharks: This deal will depend on a few things #1 Blake staying in SJ for another year or retiring. If Blake stays, odds are Kabs isnt going to be a shark. If Blake retires theres a chance Kabs will become a shark, but that will hinge on whether or not the sharks are able to land Souray. #2 Souray: San Jose has major interest in him, and will be looking to trade for him if Blake retires.

Buffalo: Willing to offer up either Roy or Pominville to get Kaberle

Columbus: Willing to offer up their 1st rounder (4th overall) for Kaberle and other assets.

These are the actual teams that I have heard are 100% interested in Kabs.

No Pittsburgh is not in the running right now, they're top priority is to try and resign Gonchar. Kabs isnt going to get that much in return right now because he only has a year remaining on his contract, a lot of teams are leery to give up the farm for a rental player. If Burke get sign him to an extension and trade him, he'd get more value. The only trade I'm liking is the washington one, the columbus one intruges me, but I want to see who elese the leafs would have to give up to land that 1st rounder.
 
Re: Teams that are actually interested in Kaberle

Maybe we need to start a few more Kaberle threads. I would merge this, but I will leave that for the Leaf mods to decide.
 
Re: Teams that are actually interested in Kaberle

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"New rule.......No more crappy redundant threads that lack sources."
 
Re: Ian White

Here's a question; If you can trade Beauchemin for a 2nd round pick or a raw prospect and sign White for 2.5 million or something - do you do it? I would.
 
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