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leafman101 said:
Yep. He traded for an unproved back up, and immediately resigned him to a starters level salary, when he had a year left on his deal and there was no rush.
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You don't think it would've looked bad to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder for potentially a single year of Toskala?

He's got to give Toskala that extension, absolutely.
 
BG said:
You don't think it would've looked bad to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder for potentially a single year of Toskala?

He's got to give Toskala that extension, absolutely.
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There was no rush. Its not like he got a good deal by doing it early.
 
leafman101 said:
There was no rush. Its not like he got a good deal by doing it early.
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Hey, hindsight is always 20/20 - but Toskala's contract was never a cap hinderance. In the end it was neither a good value, or a well-earned paycheque - but you cannot commit assets in a trade and then try to pinch the player.
 
Try to pinch the player?

He practically handed him a blank check for nothing. It has nothing to do with hindsight.

He handed out a big deal without making the guy earn a cent of it first.

Most GM's don't do that. Hell look at Craig Anderson. He was coming from the exact same situation as Toskala, and he got half the money, and there was more than one team that could bid on him.

Stupid move from the get go.
 
Toskala played a season for under $1.5 and 2 seasons at $4m - not exactly breaking the bank... and never a cap issue.

Of course it's hindsight. If Toskala provided even average goaltending during his tenure here (and there were streches of decent play) he's worth an average starter's salary.

Anderson was a UFA - the team that signed him didn't have to offer up a draft pick.

...and I agree that it was ultimately a bad idea, but again, that's hindsight.
 
Kovalchuk is only 27 huh? Wow. Pretty young. And 230lbs? Holy schmuckola. That is prime beef.

Bozak, Kessel, Kadri, Stalberg at his best, hmmmm. That is not all that bad in a cap world. Coupled with Kovalchuk.

Add Sjorstrom and three other B's, and you got some decent forwards. Kulmenin is gone imo.
 
Ovechkin and Kovalchuk are both monsters. Even Kovalev was 6'1 220

Some of those Russians are pretty solid players with lightning speed
 
Burke wants a scoring winger with size. Kovalchuk is big, lightning fast, and a proven 50-goal scorer. 27 years old.

I don't get it. I really don't. Burke better have the greatest trade in the universe lined up to turn this guy down.
 
JackBurton said:
There was no point to deciding on one so early. A goalie like Raycroft really wasn't needed. Just sign a free, veteren "Stop-Gap" and wait to see who turns out better between Pogge/Rask.
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I've never understood that trade, either. I actually wanted to have Legace here as our temporary starter while one of Pogge or Rask worked their way into the starting role. Legace wouldn't have been anything more than an average starter, but in hindsight, that's the best Raycroft ever did for us, and Toskala couldn't even match that.
 
Burke on The Bill Watters Show this evening:
- Talks a bit about the World Hockey Summit; his agenda is keeping the game affordable in Toronto, trying to get more municipal rinks built, four pad rink built at MLSE's new practice facility was first in 25 years in Toronto.
- Re: Halak trade - Doesn't make much of a difference to us (Leafs) whether its Halak or Price we face. Thinks Price is a very good young goaltender
- It's not his goal to get a pick higher than 62 but he thinks he will based on a couple offers he's had already to get in there; doesn't want his scouts to sit there for two hours when they've worked so hard
- No panicking "OMG, no first, no second, Phil Kessel, what do we do?" - we've added lots of good young players. "I want players that can help us right NOW."
- Any movement with Hanson/Mitchell? "We hope to sign both - btw Hanson had a real nice World Championship for USA." Would like both back. Would like Kulemin back too, real nice player, doesn't think what his agent wants makes much sense though.
- Loves Primeau, told him he's gonna have to wait til after the draft at least to see whether they'll want him back.


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Most interesting was that he said twice he thinks there's a good chance they'll get into the first round based on offers he's seen so far but it's not a priority.
 
Metalleaf said:
JFJ's best trade was for Brian Leetch, because nothing he gave up turned into anything great.
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I disagree with this logic which is why I I still say the Kessel trade was good for the Leafs. Once you trade future (when you have no idea what spot that pick will be) picks away it doesn't matter what they turn out to be.
Traded Maxim Kondratiev, rights to Jarkko Immonen, 2004 1st round pick and 2005 2nd round pick to NYR for Brian Leetch.
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That's almost as much as the gave up for Kessel... a good trade but fairly steep.
 
That's almost as much as the gave up for Kessel... a good trade but fairly steep.
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Not even remotely, remotely close. Not a single one of those assets turned into an NHL-quality player unless you consider fifth defenceman Mark Stuart (picked with the late first rounder the Leafs gave up in the trade) to be a quality asset. I certainly don't.
 
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