• Moderators, please send me a PM if you are unable to access mod permissions. Thanks, Habsy.

Leaf Rumours

I'm more curious if Kaberle got injured at the Olympics, because his drop in production coincides perfectly with his return for them......then again it coincides with Phaneuf's addition to the lineup as well.



Pre-Olympics

Tomas Kaberle: 61gp, 6gls, 46pts, -10 (82gp, 8gls, 62pts)


Post-Olympics

Tomas Kaberle: 21gp, 1gls, 3pts, -6 (82gp, 4gls, 12pts)


---------------------------------------------------------------------

Pre-Phaneuf

Tomas Kaberle: 56gp, 5gls, 43pts, -10(82gp, 7gls, 63pts)


Post-Phaneuf

Tomas Kaberle: 26gp, 2gls, 6pts, -6 (82gp, 6gls, 19pts)





.
 
Last edited:
The problems started before that though. Kabby only had 12 points in the 24 games prior to the Phaneuf deal.

So he had 18 points in his last 40 games (36 point pace), and 31 points in his first 42 (61 point pace).
 
I know he wants to stay in Toronto, but is it possible that the past 3 years of him being rumored going out of town has gottent o him and effected his play sometimes, especialyl nearing the deadline. I can only imagine answering all those repeted questions about his future has to piss him off a little.
 
leafman101 said:
The problems started before that though. Kabby only had 12 points in the 24 games prior to the Phaneuf deal.
Click to expand...

Bit disingenuous, as you're making the cut off date of 24 games, precisely after he came off a 4 game point streak, and 6pts in 7 games.


In December he had 10 points in 16 games....(51pt pace)

In January + February (5 games), he had 11 points in 20 games....(45pt pace)


Those aren't terrible break downs, in fact they're pretty in line with his career norms.


The real drop off came after the Olympics.
 
I'm exceedingly skeptical of that. The salaries just don't match up well enough and Chicago would be thrilled to get rid of Campbell.
 
I can't believe anyone would think Burke would take Campbell now that we have Phaneuf and all the other bigger salaries on defence. The whole idea is a total non-starter.
 
Montana said:
Bit disingenuous, as you're making the cut off date of 24 games, precisely after he came off a 4 game point streak, and 6pts in 7 games.


In December he had 10 points in 16 games....(51pt pace)

In January + February (5 games), he had 11 points in 20 games....(45pt pace)


Those aren't terrible break downs, in fact they're pretty in line with his career norms.


The real drop off came after the Olympics.
Click to expand...

No that is being disingenuous. There is nothing statistically significant about the month of december.

Kaberles play dropped off well before the olympics.
 
leafman101 said:
No that is being disingenuous. There is nothing statistically significant about the month of december.
Click to expand...


huh?


Kaberles play dropped off well before the olympics.
Click to expand...

Kaberle had as many points in the last 4 games before the Olympic break, as he had in the 21 games after it.

The biggest differential in Kaberle's play, clearly came after the Olympic break.........prior to then, any differential we saw, was that you'd find during virtually any top defensemans season, from month to month.
 
Montana said:
huh?
Click to expand...

What is disengunous is to say "look he had a good first half of december therefore he wasn't bad in the second half, because overall his December numbers are good."

There is nothing significant about "December" or any month for that matter. He was good the first half of december, then he wasn't anymore.



Montana said:
Kaberle had as many points in the last 4 games before the Olympic break, as he had in the 21 games after it.

The biggest differential in Kaberle's play, clearly came after the Olympic break.........prior to then, any differential we saw, was that you'd find during virtually any top defensemans season, from month to month.
Click to expand...

Yeah, except for the fact that he never rebounded, and just kept getting worse.

The end of his good play was mid december. After that it was downhill, and his play continued to deteriorate.

Nothing regular about it. His play didn't fall of when Phaneuf came. It didn't fall off after the Olympics, it fell of well before.

And to say "well in any given season a guys play might fall off for a stretch anyway" isn't much of an argument. Its just an admission of his play falling off.
 
the thing is, even early in the year, his "rebound" consisted mainly of being awesome on the PP.

He still has never really rounded back into defensive form since the big hit, IMO. Far too many weird mistakes in coverage. Like he's just not all there.
 
leafman101 said:
What is disengunous is to say "look he had a good first half of december therefore he wasn't bad in the second half, because overall his December numbers are good."

There is nothing significant about "December" or any month for that matter. He was good the first half of december, then he wasn't anymore.
Click to expand...

The difference between his play after the break is marketly different than his play in any other 21 game stretch, during the last 6 years of his career.


His play prior to the deadline, was in line with various stretches of his career, throughout the years, it was simply a slightly below average......it wasn't anything close to the massive drop off it was after the break.


The end of his good play was mid december. After that it was downhill, and his play continued to deteriorate.
Click to expand...



Again, he had as many points in his last 4 games before the break, as he had in his final 21 games.........in fact in the last 13 games before the break ('mid december, and January), he played at a 44 point pace.....that's hardly a huge departure from his career norms. The last 21 games of the season?.....vastly different than any 21 game stretch of his career.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top