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JJ sucks. He's HATED by the fans here and KNOWN for being crappy.

And Simmonds has the same kind of appeal that Tucker had for us. Nothing more. No one here is confusing him for some kind of star player.
 
With that contract, I have no idea what his value is. I can't see it even being Joe Thornton or Dion Phaneuf value.

To pick two rumoured names at first glance - say it cost you Kaberle + Kulemin.
 
number17 said:
Some of us, yes for sure.

I think some of the 'rumors' have been wishful thinking more than anything ...

But I do trust Burke. Where the Kubina 'trade' was a pure salary dump, I think Burke does mean what he said about he doesn't really have to / want to trade Kaberle, and he's just as happy re-signing Kabby to an extension if he doesn't see what he likes.

At this point, it seems like a Kabby trade is almost imminent, but again, I trust Burke in understanding Kaberle's true market value, and that he's in no rush whatsoever to trade him.
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I was specifically talking about the people that thought JJ and Simmonds was a terrible deal.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Man, I was nervous before that Burke might not get value for Kabs, but now you loons are terrifying me. Thankfully, I know better.

Btw, Staal is no secondary player on any other team. Just Pittsburgh. And Ryan is in play, though unlikely to be dealt.

Kaberle will only be traded for a STAR or a player with verrrry good potential to be a star.
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I am certainly not expecting a STAR player for Kaberle. This "Ryan is in play" nonsense is just that, nonsense. And Staal is very much still a question mark, and almost certainly not available either.
 
Well, JJ and Simmonds are two players who you can reasonable have wildly different opinions on (i.e. you can reasonably think JJ is future stud #1, and you can reasonably think he's a near bust, you can reasonably think Simmonds is a future first line power forward, and you can reasonably think he's a 3rd liner), so I'm not too surprised that there would be wildly different opinions on the value of that package.
 
If the leafs keep kaberle .... and he has a career year next season, then the leafs are f---ed.
How are you going to justify paying him 6 mill a year?
He has to go, and with this small open window available to the leafs to be able to trade him ... he has to go. Simmonds and a draft choice or JJ would be fine.
Remember how mccabe was a problem .....he turned it around.
 
axlsalinger said:
I am certainly not expecting a STAR player for Kaberle. This "Ryan is in play" nonsense is just that, nonsense. And Staal is very much still a question mark, and almost certainly not available either.
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You're disregarding significant recent developments.

Pittsburgh is losing Gonchar, which is a huge blow. They have an excess of centers, two of which they would never, ever deal. They need a Kaberle, and arguably don't "need" Staal. That is still my bet for where Kabs goes, if anywhere.

As for Anaheim, they just had Nieds retire, most likely will see Selanne do the same, and are now in the market for some established players. If we can entice them enough with good assets, I think there's a possiblity (however slight) that they part with Ryan. (And we know Burke likes him a lot). Kaberle and some package of Grabo, Kulemin, Gunnar, etc. (not all of them), could prompt them to make a move, especially since they still don't have Ryan signed yet.
 
icemancometh In light on Niedermayer retirement, Ducks will naturally push for a puck-moving defenseman. Murray: "It's important obviously."

We've heard very emphatic nos that either Staal OR Ryan will be available from very connected hockey people so...
 
I think a lot of people are underestimating Burke as a GM. Nobody (myself included) thought he would pull off that blockbuster trade to land Phaneuf, but he did. Not a lot of people thought he'd be able to get rid of Toskala and Blake, let alone in the same trade but he did. Fact is Burke is one of the most shrewd and intelligent GM's in the league, he's quite capable of making a homerun trade that will have a postive impact on the leafs, while screwing the other team (s) over. Burke isnt the type of GM who's going to make a trade just to please people, he's going to make a trade that's best for the leafs. Burke can say all day long he has no interest in trading Kaberle, or that he's looking out for Kabs best interests, that may be true to some extent, but at the end of the day Burke's running a business, and he has to do things that will help the buisiness improve.
 
Real_ESPNLeBrun Burke just met with media. Said he's got "four concrete offers" for Kaberle and expects two more tonight. But added, "nothing imminent" yet
 
Hmm. Vanek is an interesting name.

Assessing trade value is complicated by the fact that we're divisional rivals and that Vanek makes huge dough, two factors that have opposite effects on value.

Phaneuf is a good parallel...a younger player who has put up big numbers in the past, makes 6-7 million, but in the last season hasn't produced as much.
 
As for Anaheim, keeping Ryan doesn't preclude them from making a solid bid for Kaberle. Lupul, one of their first rounders, and maybe something else for Kabs and Kulemin? I could see them putting that on the table.

I don't think Burke would or should go for that, but they'll put in a bid.
 
reporterchris Burke: "When you finish 29th your list of untouchables should be pretty goddamn short and it is."

icemancometh Bob Murray said he's had a lot of interest his way on either of the Ducks' two first-rounders. Said their No. 29 pick could be in play.
 
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