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Doesn't make sense to give up anything of value for Ladd. There are equal players out there in FA who will come for free.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
he's a 45 point guy, plays hard, has some leadership qualities and has 2 cups.

4th line eh?...do you just pull things out of thin air?

When he played this year he was on the shut down line with Bolland and Kopecky.
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You mean he's scored more than 40 points once in his career....and then promptly dipped back below the 40 point level this year (and scored at a 25-point pace in the playoffs). Look, I'm not going to spend too much time bashing him, and he's clearly a useful player...but he is what he is. A very average, disappointing former top draft pick who's carved out a career as a depth forward, and has had the good fortune of playing on two very good hockey teams. He's nothing special, and he's not worth much.
 
I'm not going to say what the Hawks will or will not get for a guy like Ladd or Versteeg.

I'll all add is that most of you figured we wouldn't get shit for Buff or even Sharp ( some of you gems suggested a 2nd round pick).

If enough teams are interested in a commodity then the price slowly rises.

Versteeg is a 50 point player making a reasonable 3M, and Ladd is a 24 year old with 2 cups under his belt. He can play in a teams bottom 6 and not look out of place and also put up about 40 points. Both guys will have value to someone
 
Buff is the exception because of how damn good he was in the cup run, and his size. People will pay for that. He's a unique package, who was impossible to contain by anyone not named Pronger in the playoffs.

No one will pay big for the other stuff.
 
leafman101 said:
Buff is the exception because of how damn good he was in the cup run, and his size. People will pay for that. He's a unique package, who was impossible to contain by anyone not named Pronger in the playoffs.

No one will pay big for the other stuff.
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People wouldve paid for Sharp...but he's not available.

For the rest it's a matter of wait and see...but i think either Versteeg or Ladd bring in more than you think.

Due to theyr'e age specifically.
 
I'll all add is that most of you figured we wouldn't get shit for Buff or even Sharp ( some of you gems suggested a 2nd round pick).
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If you can get someone to overpay for Ladd too, that's cool. But hope it's not from our GM in that case. And Hayes and Rynnas is ridiculous. I hope Vancouver gives you the equivalent of that, just cuz they're whiny bitches. :D

But I did get an answer from Mirtle for you though it's a vague one - "Likely similar to the Thrashers deal: No contracts, picks and/or prospects."
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I'm not going to say what the Hawks will or will not get for a guy like Ladd or Versteeg.

I'll all add is that most of you figured we wouldn't get shit for Buff or even Sharp ( some of you gems suggested a 2nd round pick).

If enough teams are interested in a commodity then the price slowly rises.

Versteeg is a 50 point player making a reasonable 3M, and Ladd is a 24 year old with 2 cups under his belt. He can play in a teams bottom 6 and not look out of place and also put up about 40 points. Both guys will have value to someone
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I'm not saying nobody will give up anything of value from him. The most overrated players in the league are depth forwards on Stanley Cup winning teams (Maltby and Draper from Detroit were slected for TEAM CANADA, for God's sake), so it's certainly plausible that somebody will overpay for Ladd. My argument is simply that he's nothing special, he's not worth it, and I don't want or expect the Leafs to be the ones overpaying.
 
Due to Toronto's lack of picks....I just dont see a good match. I wouldnt give up Hayes and Rynnas either, but as i say the hawks arent just going to give away things.
 
Savard has talent, he's probably one of the best playmaking centres in the game, plus he and kessel had unique chemistry, so thats another plus. But Savard is one hit away from being out of the NHL for good, and thats a really huge risk. NO way would I deal Kaberle for Savard though, because they're is a good chance Kaberle will light it up with the bruins and burn us 6 times a year when we face him. I'd offer up a smaller package for Savard and see if the Bruins bite or not: Grabo, Stalberg for Savard.
 
NO way would I deal Kaberle for Savard though, because they're is a good chance Kaberle will light it up with the bruins and burn us 6 times a year when we face him.
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Isn't it pretty likely that Savard and Kessel reunited light it up for the Leafs and burn the Bruins 6 times a year also?

Grabo, Stalberg for Savard.
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Not. A. Chance.
 
LeafGm said:
I'm not saying nobody will give up anything of value from him. The most overrated players in the league are depth forwards on Stanley Cup winning teams (Maltby and Draper from Detroit were slected for TEAM CANADA, for God's sake), so it's certainly plausible that somebody will overpay for Ladd. My argument is simply that he's nothing special, he's not worth it, and I don't want the Leafs to be the ones overpaying.
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I agree whole heartedly. I'd be stunned if Burke was the guy to overpay for a Ladd type. Not his style.

But at the same time i'd be a little surprised if another Dudley Do Right didn't.

Calling him a 4th liner is ludaricis though.
 
“I had to do the same thing when we won (in Anaheim)," said former Ducks GM Brian Burke, who now runs the Toronto Maple Leafs. “We had to make some decisions after we won, and they weren't pleasant. It's not fun to have to peddle guys after they've helped you win."

Burke admits he is one of the GMs who have hoped to strengthen their team at the Blackhawks’ expense. While Atlanta, and to a far lesser extent Edmonton, have found some luck there, Burke said nothing has yet made sense for him.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/06/24/spector_cost_of_winning/
 
hockeylover said:
Isn't it pretty likely that Savard and Kessel reunited light it up for the Leafs and burn the Bruins 6 times a year also?

Probably

Not. A. Chance.
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- Savard at this point in his career is not worth a top offensive defencemen, his value has dropped since his concussion problems. Not many teams are gonna offer a lot for this guy.
 
- Savard at this point in his career is not worth a top offensive defencemen, his value has dropped since his concussion problems. Not many teams are gonna offer a lot for this guy.
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Problem. Singular. One.
 
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