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number17 said:
It is, but it's not like we gave them the puck for nothing.

Draft is all sexy and stuff, but realistically, if Seguin even develop into a 36G scorer in 3 years Boston should be very happy about him.

And we already have Kessel in our lineup.
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1) Seguin's top end is higher than Kessel's

2) You also lost the cap flexibility that having Seguin in your line up over Kessel would give you.

3) You also gave up the 32nd pick in this years draft.

4) You also gave up the top 10 pick next year.

Sorry, but that deal sucks balls.
 
number17 said:
Yep.


As for Kabby trade, I really don't think today or the next few days is any sort of a deadline. I mean, think about this, Burke was patient enough when he did the Kessel trade (it was completed in late September, at the tail end of training camp), he was patient enough in trading for Phaneuf (inquired about Phaneuf early in the season, waited till end of January to complete the trade). He had a chance to trade for JSG early in the season, but was patient enough to make Anaheim take Vesa in return.

Burke has a full month of window to trade Kabby. I don't think it'll happen until after July 1
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But IF something comes along tonight that is very enticing does he pull the trigger or hold out in hopes of something better and trying to create a bidding war?

It has a chance to work out in his favor or blow up in his face.
 
I'm still praying someone really in the mix on Kaberle strikes out and makes a bid for Campbell...

By a bid i mean a 4th round draft pick.
 
SENSible said:
1) Seguin's top end is higher than Kessel's

2) You also lost the cap flexibility that having Seguin in your line up over Kessel would give you.

3) You also gave up the 32nd pick in this years draft.

4) You also gave up the top 10 pick next year.

Sorry, but that deal sucks balls.
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Luckily, Burke, myself, every Leafs fan on this board, and every Leaf fan in the world couldn't give two ****s whether or not you think the deal sucks balls. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Didn't you hear though?....next year's draft is weak...it's okay.
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Besides, if we do give them a top 10 pick next year, and whoever they take this year and next turn out to be great, and the Bruins look like genuine contenders for the cup, we can all just become Bruins fans.

That's how it works, isnt it?
 
I never said its ok but everyone is making a huge fuss about next years pick when every scout in the NHL is pegging this to be an exteremly weak draft.

If the next Lemieux was pegged to come into the league next year then I would be a little choked but when professional scouts, ya know the guys who do this for a living feel that no one of signifiance who will make a major impact in the NHL will come from this draft, it tends to ease the pain a little.

Its not a hard concept to grasp really.
 
j_15 said:
Besides, if we do give them a top 10 pick next year, and whoever they take this year and next turn out to be great, and the Bruins look like genuine contenders for the cup, we can all just become Bruins fans.

That's how it works, isnt it?
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No....for you, you continue to fool yourself that every move the leafs make is the " bees knees". Then one day you realize that everything isnt perfect and you snap, beat your wife and go to jail.
 
Artnes said:
But IF something comes along tonight that is very enticing does he pull the trigger or hold out in hopes of something better and trying to create a bidding war?

It has a chance to work out in his favor or blow up in his face.
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If the right offer comes up tonight Burke will pull the trigger.

But if it doesn't, he has a full month he can wait.

And I don't think it'll 'blow up in his face' unless he trades Kabby for scraps. The worst thing that can happen if he waits, is Kabby stays on our blueline ... and I'm perfectly fine with that.

Look at it this way - Pittsburgh needs to re-sign or replace Gonchar, Anaheim needs to replace Niedermayer, Dallas need a puck moving defenseman, so does Boston after unloading Wideman and Morris (well, not much of a defenseman to begin with) ... the list goes on.

There are only so many puck moving defensemen in the market.

I think patience is key if you have one you're willing to deal.
 
Artnes said:
I never said its ok but everyone is making a huge fuss about next years pick when every scout in the NHL is pegging this to be an exteremly weak draft.

If the next Lemieux was pegged to come into the league next year then I would be a little choked but when professional scouts, ya know the guys who do this for a living feel that no one of signifiance who will make a major impact in the NHL will come from this draft, it tends to ease the pain a little.

Its not a hard concept to grasp really.
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Even if they acquire a solid 2nd line player in next years draft, and maybe a 2nd pair D with the 2nd.

Isnt

Seguin
top 6
top 4

nicer looking than Kessell?
 
I think this is the Leaf Rumour thread, not the discuss the Kessel trade for the 5278527567698964762th time thread.

What would concern me, is that i have heard nothing in regards of Kaberle signing an extension anywhere if/when he is dealt. And if true he isnt keen on the West coast then it would appear many teams would knowingly be dealing for 1 year of Tomas. Which should effect the return.
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I don't really get why anyone would be talking about this yet since his NTC isn't waived til 7 tonight. They haven't liked anything offered yet so why would they give another team permission to talk to Rick Curran regarding interest in an extension?
 
I worded that poorly, I apologize.

All i know is that if i am i team giving up big assets for TK. I want to know how long i have him, and if he isn't interested in out west. Then if i am the GM of Dallas and Anaheim my interest fades quickly
 
SENSible said:
1) Seguin's top end is higher than Kessel's

2) You also lost the cap flexibility that having Seguin in your line up over Kessel would give you.

3) You also gave up the 32nd pick in this years draft.

4) You also gave up the top 10 pick next year.

Sorry, but that deal sucks balls.
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I'm not really going to beat a dead horse here again, but let's just say I agree if our 1st round pick turns out to be a top 10 pick again then yeah, the trade sucks for us.

But otherwise, anything you acquire a proven 21 year old player you have to pay a price, because Boston is taking on that risk / uncertainty on what kind of player the pick may turn out to be. Carolina is not going to take a 1st overall pick for Eric Staal, just like Anaheim is going to ask for more than a 2nd overall pick for Bobby Ryan. If the 2011 1st round pick is say, 15th or 16th, I'm perfectly fine with that.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Even if they acquire a solid 2nd line player in next years draft, and maybe a 2nd pair D with the 2nd.

Isnt

Seguin
top 6
top 4

nicer looking than Kessell?
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Playing the if game again are we

Right now at this very moment we win the deal because of the point 101 brought up.

Proven players score goals, draft picks don't. 5 years from now, we could be kicking ourselves or we could be loving life.

To early to make a judgment about anything until these pricks prove to be of any worth.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
No....for you, you continue to fool yourself that every move the leafs make is the " bees knees". Then one day you realize that everything isnt perfect and you snap, beat your wife and go to jail.
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Heh, appreciate the concern, but I'll be alright, thanks.
 
I worded that poorly, I apologize.

All i know is that if i am i team giving up big assets for TK. I want to know how long i have him, and if he isn't interested in out west. Then if i am the GM of Dallas and Anaheim my interest fades quickly
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... yeah. Rick Curran has said publicly already that he's expecting a call from the interested party to gauge interest in re-signing. I think we all believe that is likely to happen before a deal goes down. I think it takes a team to say we'll give you X, if we can talk to him, for the Leafs to say OK, go ahead.
 
I take it your post proves you have no valid counterpoint and have choosen to resort to kindergarten tactics.

Well done.
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Kindergarten tactics? We've discussed this hundreds of times already, pardon me if I don't really feel like responding to your attempts to stir the pot in a LEAFS RUMOURS thread.
 
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