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number17 said:
I'm not really going to beat a dead horse here again, but let's just say I agree if our 1st round pick turns out to be a top 10 pick again then yeah, the trade sucks for us.

But otherwise, anything you acquire a proven 21 year old player you have to pay a price, because Boston is taking on that risk / uncertainty on what kind of player the pick may turn out to be. Carolina is not going to take a 1st overall pick for Eric Staal, just like Anaheim is going to ask for more than a 2nd overall pick for Bobby Ryan. If the 2011 1st round pick is say, 15th or 16th, I'm perfectly fine with that.
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Ok, so if the deal turns into

Seguin
32nd pick this year (likely a servicable player)
and
Someone like Eric Karlsson (taken 16th overall)

You'd be OK with it?

It was the kind of deal that you live with if it puts you over the top and gets you a cup!

It got the Leafs 29th place.
 
hockeylover said:
Kindergarten tactics? We've discussed this hundreds of times already, pardon me if I don't really feel like responding to your attempts to stir the pot in a LEAFS RUMOURS thread.
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The topic was brought up by a Leaf fan and then I chose to discuss it.

I don't see how that qualifies as "stirring the pot" simply because I have a different opinion.
 
My final word on this.

The bottom line is that NO ONE will be able to decipher a winner of this trade for at least 3 years IMO.

Seguin could bomb out into a 2nd line center and the other picks could be duds and the Leafs would win.

Or, and IMO more likely Seguin becomes a Stamkos tier talent and the other picks turn into serviceable NHLers in which case the Leafs lose.
 
The topic was brought up by a Leaf fan and then I chose to discuss it.

I don't see how that qualifies as "stirring the pot" simply because I have a different opinion.
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This really isn't the thread to be digging the knife in with your "29TH PLACE" etc. That a Leaf fan digressed a little shouldn't turn into a full Kessel trade discussion of which we've had many. Isn't it possible that you just hold off on the enlightenment sometimes and let some posts go? Pick your battles?
 
Of course the 8 is in play. That goof Dudley always trades down like 3 times before selecting a player no one but Pierre McGuire has heard of.
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:lol I welcome GMs like Dudley in the mix. Should be some interesting deals that's for sure.
 
Metalleaf said:
Rick Dudley trades the 8th pick to Brian Burke for....
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pfft

moreso dudley deals the 8 for the 11th and a 4th

then deals the 11th for the 15th and a 3rd

then deals the 15th for the 18th and a 3rd

Hense reaquiring what he gave up for Buff

then he chooses someone stupid with "intangibles" at 18. Pierre loves it, screams brilliance for the most underrated GM in hockey. Whereas Bobby Mac does not have said player in his top 30
 
Did I mention at any point last night that people are saying the Flyers and Hamhuis are pretty far apart on a deal, and that he's asking for 5 million or more?
 
SENSible said:
Ok, so if the deal turns into

Seguin
32nd pick this year (likely a servicable player)
and
Someone like Eric Karlsson (taken 16th overall)

You'd be OK with it?

It was the kind of deal that you live with if it puts you over the top and gets you a cup!

It got the Leafs 29th place.
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You're playing ifs ands and buts here. The 16th could be a Karlsson or could very well be a Marc Andre Pouliot who knows.

The draft is a crap shoot and until these picks develop were up on Boston.

End of story. So drop the topic and talk about rumors.
 
Yeah, crazy. He sounded so excited when the trade went down. The Vancouver radio stations are salivating over this btw. They'd love to have the honour of overpaying.
 
SENSible said:
Ok, so if the deal turns into

Seguin
32nd pick this year (likely a servicable player)
and
Someone like Eric Karlsson (taken 16th overall)

You'd be OK with it?

It was the kind of deal that you live with if it puts you over the top and gets you a cup!

It got the Leafs 29th place.
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And the Leafs is a rebuilding team ... is that news to you? And young forwards like Kessel, at the age of 21 only during the trade, is EXACTLY the kind of young players you target to build around. Only idiots are concerned about 'putting your team over the top' when we're talking about rebuilding teams.

Look, when the Leafs made the trade for Brian Leetch, lots of people thought JFJ gave up too much. Guess what - NONE of the picks or prospects that JFJ gave up turn out to be anything significant. Actually only 1 of them is still in the NHL and if the Leafs want, I'm sure he's available for a bag of pucks now.

Of course if you automatically assume the best case scenario for Seguin, 2nd round pick and 1st round pick next year then the Leafs lose this trade ... I wonder
 
hockeylover said:
Did I mention at any point last night that people are saying the Flyers and Hamhuis are pretty far apart on a deal, and that he's asking for 5 million or more?
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good on Philly for not caving.

Never in my life did i think Mike Komisarek might look like a bargain some day.....but here we are.

I pray Vancouver makes this mistake....write that one down hockeylover....I'll be right about this too.
 
hockeylover said:
This really isn't the thread to be digging the knife in with your "29TH PLACE" etc. That a Leaf fan digressed a little shouldn't turn into a full Kessel trade discussion of which we've had many. Isn't it possible that you just hold off on the enlightenment sometimes and let some posts go? Pick your battles?
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Various Leaf fans have mentioned the immediate dividends paid by having Kessel in the lineup instead of waiting for the draft picks to develop. I was simply pointing out that the initial team result with him instead of the picks.

As for discussing this today, don't you agree that it makes some sense considering this is the day when the real cost of the deal begins to come to roost?
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
good on Philly for not caving.

Never in my life did i think Mike Komisarek might look like a bargain some day.....but here we are.

I pray Vancouver makes this mistake....write that one down hockeylover....I'll be right about this too.
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I liked Hamhuis a lot - but ONLY if he, like I thought, would fly under the radar and be signed at a bargain price.

I guess that's not gonna happen.

Hamhuis is a lot like Beauchemin IMO. Which is why i was surpsied when the rumors had it Burke was after Hamhuis.

If he's looking for a Kaberle replacement, Paul Martin would be a lot closer than Hamhuis.
 
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