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LeafOfFaith said:
I am indeed allowing for the possibility that a young player who kicked ass in his first taste of NHL action, and equalled Savard last year, could be a 60-65 point player next year and around as good as Savard, or maybe even better.
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Care to bet that Savard puts up significantly more points than Bozak? Barring severe injury of course.
 
Metalleaf said:
# TSNBobMcKenzie

Creating cap space is the most valuable asset BOS would get back in a Savard deal. And that is not to be minimized. Ask teams up against cap.

# Bob McKenzie TSNBobMcKenzie

"Soft" deal doesn't involve significant roster players or high end draft pick(s). If BOS moves Savard, with that contract, return not high.
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Good to see McKenzie confirming what a lot of us have been saying around here. Still can't believe some people were itching to give up Kaberle for Savard. SENSible actually makes a good point though, in that it would be strange for Boston to trade Savard to Toronto as a salary dump when that would in all likelihood directly hurt the draft pick they're getting from Toronto in 2011. At the same time, he's not going to the only other team on his list of two teams he'll lift his NTC for (Ottawa), as they've already got $7M and $4.2M sunk into Jason Spezza and Mike Fisher at center ice already (not to mention Chris Kelly at $2.125M), and those two aren't going anywhere, so it's unlikely they're going to pay somebody over four million dollars to center their third line.

I guess the other thing to consider is that Savard has to expand his list of teams he'll waive he NTC for to 5 teams after July 1st, does he not? So it'll be up to him how this plays out. I suppose if he only wants to play in Toronto, he could screw Boston by picking three additional teams that are already capped out, or would have no interest him him (like Chicago, Pittsburgh and Philly, for example), and then Boston will be left with no choice but to just take the cap relief from Toronto. Or if Savard's not set on coming here, he'll give the Bruins some other plausible options, and Chiarelli will jump at the chance to send him there instead of having to give him to Toronto.
 
I love how some people DO NOT want a proven number one center who has chemistry with Kessel, solid cap hit, can be had for cheap and WANTS TO PLAY HERE. ****ing mind boggling some of you
 
hockeylover said:
Yeah, this is definitely an option. If I'm Savard and I REALLY want to go to Ottawa or Toronto to be close to my kids I think I say Detroit, Chicago and another team that has a their center position locked up and next to no cap room.
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Hmmm, well, I apologize for my post above. Didn't see that HL has already mentioned what I was thinking!
 
corksens said:
Volchenkov will not be re-signed.

And this is a novel idea, but perhaps another trade could happen to shed some salary. Wild idea, I know.

But Sensible is right, why would Boston trade to the one team who if improved has a direct result on their draft position next year.

Just think about that.
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Because Chiarelli is under no illusions concerning Burke's ability to improve a team. Because Chiarelli's main concern is making his own team better, and feels that the cap space Burke would assist him in creating would be significantly more important to the success of his team this season than a pick in next year's draft.

As for Volchenkov not being re signed...that's great and all, but you'll still be looking to replace him, likely with Sutton who will cost somewhere around 3-3.5 million. You still need to provide raises to Regin, Campoli, & Foligno and you have 10 million (so really only 9 to maintain a solid cap cushion) to work with.

Apparently you are also unfamiliar with your team's cap position.
 
Metalleaf said:
# TSNBobMcKenzie

Creating cap space is the most valuable asset BOS would get back in a Savard deal. And that is not to be minimized. Ask teams up against cap.

# Bob McKenzie TSNBobMcKenzie

"Soft" deal doesn't involve significant roster players or high end draft pick(s). If BOS moves Savard, with that contract, return not high.
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Bobby is right, and that's what we've (the smart ones here anyways) have been saying.

If Boston deals Savard, they'll get very little in return. It's a favour to BOS to take Savard off their hands already, with BOS only $4M from the cap max and they still need to sign a d-man to replace Wideman.

Savard's contract and his concussion at the end of the season pretty much negates his trade value. Boston needs to clear some cap space, but it's interesting it's Savard they try to move - being an offensively challenged team and Savard being their most offensive player.

All these talks about Beauchemin or Komi for Savard won't work. The biggest reason Boston trades away Savard is for cap space. Neither of these players save them much cap space (Komi's cap hit is bigger actually).

And then some are stupid enough to suggest Savard for Kaberle ... that's insane. Savard has almost 0 trade value.

At the end of the day, I don't think BOS actually trades Savard. Toronto doesn't REALLY want a top line center ... Burke prefers wingers when he has Kadri and Bozak already. He CAN take Savard, but considering Savard's style, age, health ... there are better options out there.

And Boston doesn't really want to trade Savard to Toronto neither, a team they'll have to face 8 times a season. Just in case Savard recovers from his concussion, that's a player that can hurt them badly, and they'd rather trade him out of the division if they had a choice.
 
If it's a pure capspace deal - i.e. they can't take any money back - then he could come quite cheap.
 
number17 said:
If Boston deals Savard, they'll get very little in return. It's a favour to BOS to take Savard off their hands already, with BOS only $4M from the cap max and they still need to sign a d-man to replace Wideman.

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All these talks about Beauchemin or Komi for Savard won't work. The biggest reason Boston trades away Savard is for cap space. Neither of these players save them much cap space (Komi's cap hit is bigger actually).
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you're contradicting yourself there.

if all they need the capspace for is to sign another dman, then yes, a Beauch/Komi trade for Savard would work.
 
RealKyper
Definition of soft deal; combination of draft picks/ secondary prospects/players. It would clearly be a salary dump.
 
If it's not for cap space reason, then you gotta realize why BOS is trading Savard ... he's gotta be VERY banged up.

Either way, Savard is not worth much. If BOS wants to maximize Savard's trade value, they should start the season with him, so that he can prove he's still got it, and then trade him in Nov or something.

But I don't think BOS can wait that long. They might wait till July 1, then trade him out of the conference for close to nothing, just to clear cap space.
 
Heh, Habsy right again...

Now, as for Savard, and the growing speculation that he’ll be traded, the 33-year-old pivot has an interesting menu of trade exceptions built into his new seven-year “no-trade’’ contract. He cannot be traded prior to the upcoming 2010-11 season. However, the Bruins gain more trade flexibility with his contract as the years go by.

To wit:

■In 2011-12 — Savard can be dealt to Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Philadelphia and/or Chicago.

■In 2012-13 — The previous five clubs remain in play, along with Florida, Tampa, New York Rangers, Washington and/or Pittsburgh.

■In 2013-14 — Can be traded to any club in the Eastern Conference.

■In 2014-15 — Can be traded to any NHL club.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey.../06/26/no_need_for_second_guessing/?page=full
 
MindzEye said:
Because Chiarelli is under no illusions concerning Burke's ability to improve a team. Because Chiarelli's main concern is making his own team better, and feels that the cap space Burke would assist him in creating would be significantly more important to the success of his team this season than a pick in next year's draft.

As for Volchenkov not being re signed...that's great and all, but you'll still be looking to replace him, likely with Sutton who will cost somewhere around 3-3.5 million. You still need to provide raises to Regin, Campoli, & Foligno and you have 10 million (so really only 9 to maintain a solid cap cushion) to work with.

Apparently you are also unfamiliar with your team's cap position.
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Hilarious.

Your doom and gloom predictions don't mean anything. We can easily shed some salary to make room for a 4.2 million Savard.

Perhaps not resigning Volchenkov or Sutton and bringing up one of our young defensemen? What a wild idea!
 
SENSible actually makes a good point though, in that it would be strange for Boston to trade Savard to Toronto as a salary dump when that would in all likelihood directly hurt the draft pick they're getting from Toronto in 2011.
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Just to clear up why....

1) Ottawa is likely not interested due to their positional allotment of cap space currently and the cap requirements just to finish putting their team back together.

2) Chiarelli is concerned with winning, not in 2014, but this year. This could potentially be his last season with Chara and if Savard wants out and he can't get full value for him (which he obviously can't) then the cap space that he can turn and use to fill holes on his team is significantly more important to him than a kid who is currently 16-17 years old and won't suit up for the Bruins for another 4-5 years. With that cap space he's a player in the Volchenkov sweepstakes, he can bring in Martin to replace Wideman's offensive abilities....he can bring in a NHL player to make his squad better, and for 4 million, a pretty good one.
 
I dunno number17, if Burke can pick up a legitimate #1 center who has proven chemistry with Phil Kessel, do it for cheap and also take him from a division rival, then I think he does it and investigates the possibility of moving Kadri or Bozak to the wing.
 
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