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LeafOfFaith said:
Feeling's mutual then, because I think you and some others are delirious when it comes to this subject.

Boston is currently DYING to get rid of Savard. He's up there in years, his body is breaking down, he just came off a terrible season and an even worse playoffs, they are stacked at forward positions in other big money deals, and they're about to START paying him $7M per year on his new SEVEN year deal.

Oh, and he has a NTC which he'll only waive for one team that realistically will take him.

How clueless can you and the rest of those like you be to think that they have any ****ing leverage or right to demand anything at all???
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How clueless do you have to be to think they'll take Jeff Finger off Toronto's hand when the whole reason for trading Savard is for cap relief.

I mean, seriously, how can you not get that?
 
Montana said:
If he regresses to a 50-60 point player it's a market value deal.....if he gets injured, he goes on LTIR and his cap space is free'd up.

If he reverts to form.....he's on one of the best non-rookie contracts in the entire league.

Since the lockout....


1) S.Crosby (23, $8.7):371gms, 183gls, 506pts(82gms, 41gls, 112pts)
2) J.Thornton ( $7.2):406gms, 116gls, 510pts(82gms, 23gls, 103pts)
3) E.Malkin ($8.7):309gms, 143gls, 381pts(82gms, 38gls, 101pts)
4) J.Spezza ($7.0):353gms, 142gls, 399pts(82gms, 33gls, 93pts)
5) P.Datsyuk ($6.7):397gms, 145gls, 438pts(82gms, 30gls, 91pts)
6) M.Savard ($4.0):361gms, 100gls, 392pts(82gms, 23gls, 89pts)
7) H.Zetterberg ($6.1):366gms, 169gls, 388pts(82gms, 38gls, 87pts)
8) N.Backstrom ($6.7):246gms, 69gls, 258pts(82gms, 23gls, 86pts)
9) J.Spezza ($7.0):353gms, 142gls, 399pts(82gms, 33gls, 93pts)
10) V.Lecavalier ($7.7):402gms, 180gls, 412pts(82gms, 37gls, 84pts)


*hat tip to zeke for the list.
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#9 should be Sedin...

9) H.Sedin (30, $6.1): 410gms, 94gls, 426pts (82gms, 19gls, 85pts)
 
hockeylover said:
Again, there's nothing overly wrong with a 50 point forward for 4 million. Everything we know about Savard suggests he'll be better than that for the first few years though.
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Everything we know about Savard right now is that he got injured pretty good last year and had a terrible season, even worse after he supposedly had recovered.

There's something very wrong about taking on a guy like that on a long term deal and simply expecting he'll be like the pre-concussion Savard. Unless you are sufficiently incentivized to do so.
 
Centres last 3 Seasons:

1) S.Crosby (23, $8.7): 211gms, 108gls, 284pts (82gms, 42gls, 110pts)
2) E.Malkin (24, $8.7): 231gms, 110gls, 296pts (82gms, 39gls, 105pts)
3) J.Thornton (31, $7.2): 243gms, 74gls, 271pts (82gms, 25gls, 92pts)
4) H.Sedin (30, $6.1): 246gms, 66gls, 270pts (82gms, 22gls, 90pts)
5) P.Datsyuk (32, $6.7): 243gms, 90gls, 264pts (82gms, 30gls, 89pts)
6) R.Getzlaf (25, $5.3): 224gms, 68gls, 242pts (82gms, 25gls, 89pts)
7) N.Backstrom (23, $6.7): 246gms, 69gls, 258pts (82gms, 23gls, 86pts)
8) H.Zetterberg (30, $6.1): 226gms, 97gls, 235pts (82gms, 35gls, 85pts)
9) J.Spezza (27, $7.0): 218gms, 89gls, 222pts (82gms, 34gls, 84pts)
10) M.Savard (33, $4.0): 197gms, 50gls, 199pts (82gms, 21gls, 83pts)
 
Everything we know about Savard right now is that he got injured pretty good last year and had a terrible season, even worse after he supposedly had recovered.
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Ended up with a season on pace for nearly 70 pts. I'm not sure why we should expect 50 from him.
 
corksens said:
How clueless do you have to be to think they'll take Jeff Finger off Toronto's hand when the whole reason for trading Savard is for cap relief.

I mean, seriously, how can you not get that?
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How mathematically challenged must you be to not realize that $28M is a lot more than $7M, and that if that's the best they can do, oh well, too bad Toronto's the only destination he'll waive to go to.

I wish some of you would take a lesson in leverage. We don't HAVE to help out Boston here. We can let them rot with Savard refusing to waive his NTC, and striking out with the limited number of teams who won't want him once his limited NTC kicks in. We only take the deal if it's a total rip for us, otherwise Boston can choke on it and suffer.
 
If Savard returns to a PPG pace this season, which is entirely possible, he will be close to untouchable given his low cap hit.

This is the time to get him. His value likely won't be any lower than it is now.
 
hockeylover said:
Ended up with a season on pace for nearly 70 pts. I'm not sure why we should expect 50 from him.
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The last thing we know about Savard, is that he missed most of March and April, and came back with absolutely nothing in the playoffs.

I'm NOT saying he won't return to form, but I am saying that there's a very real risk that he won't, and that, coupled with the ridiculous term of his contract, and the severe limitations on what Boston can do with it, put us in the driver's seat to say, here's our shitty offer - take it or leave it.
 
LoF makes a good point about his injury.

Obviously, medical reports mean everything in this situation.
 
Well, we gotta be careful with the Savard situation.

Many have said 50-60pts is the absolute worst case, and that's not bad for $4M a year. We don't really how bad Savard is after the concussion. He did come back to play in a few playoff games, and had 3 pts in 7 games vs the Flyers, was pretty much a non-factor ... we don't know if that's because he's not completely recovered from the concussion yet, if that's because he hasn't trained or even skated in months, or whatever the reason might be.

If you take him at this point, you're taking on a big risk. He might be a 50-60 Pts forward, he could be less. He might be in and out of the lineup a lot, and that also creates a distraction to the dressing room. And don't forget, Savard will potentially be taking a spot that's Kadri's.

I am not saying NO. I am saying Savard is a risk, and if you take him you gotta be very careful. You also wanna make sure you give up close to nothing for him. Taking him off the Bruins' hands is a favor for them already.

And, if there are other options out there, and Savard wasn't such a perfect match to begin with, why not focus on other guys?

That's why I was glad to hear Burke's not limiting himself to Savard only.
 
Zeke, how much did it raise by this year again? It was interesting that Burke said today that an agent told him the NHLPA voted in favour of the hike because they'd done it for past free agent classes and thought it'd be unfair if they stopped now. That suggests they'll continue to do so.
 
zeke said:
Centres last 3 Seasons:

1) S.Crosby (23, $8.7): 211gms, 108gls, 284pts (82gms, 42gls, 110pts)
2) E.Malkin (24, $8.7): 231gms, 110gls, 296pts (82gms, 39gls, 105pts)
3) J.Thornton (31, $7.2): 243gms, 74gls, 271pts (82gms, 25gls, 92pts)
4) H.Sedin (30, $6.1): 246gms, 66gls, 270pts (82gms, 22gls, 90pts)
5) P.Datsyuk (32, $6.7): 243gms, 90gls, 264pts (82gms, 30gls, 89pts)
6) R.Getzlaf (25, $5.3): 224gms, 68gls, 242pts (82gms, 25gls, 89pts)
7) N.Backstrom (23, $6.7): 246gms, 69gls, 258pts (82gms, 23gls, 86pts)
8) H.Zetterberg (30, $6.1): 226gms, 97gls, 235pts (82gms, 35gls, 85pts)
9) J.Spezza (27, $7.0): 218gms, 89gls, 222pts (82gms, 34gls, 84pts)
10) M.Savard (33, $4.0): 197gms, 50gls, 199pts (82gms, 21gls, 83pts)
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Hey if anyone thinks I missed anyone that belongs on that list, feel free to check it out. I'm pretty sure those are the top-10 PPG Cs though.
 
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