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LeafOfFaith said:
The only reason it might not is because of Burke's misplaced sense of honor when it comes to these things, as I could imagine him giving Chiarelli a decent asset or two just to lessen the bad press he'd get if he did trade Savard for Finger.

All I know is, if I were Burke, I wouldn't accept any "fair" deal for Savard. I'd submit my one-sided offer and very easily live with it if they didn't take it.

Last thing I want to see is Boston icing a ****ing lineup chock full of a would-be young Leafs all-star team of Rask-Seguin-2011 1st- Stalberg-Gunnar.
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Toronto taking Savard and sending Finger to Boston in return does NOTHING to improve their cap problems...regardless of the total $$$ left in the contract.
 
hockeylover said:
Real_ESPNLeBrun For what's it worth, Leafs source says they've still not "ever" spoken to Boston about potential trade for Marc Savard.
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Did Burke not mention that he was meeting with Chia this week? If so, I'm pretty sure there is no reason for them to talk about this before they've agreed to get together to talk about stuff.

TheBrown is guilty of a nothing update about nothing just to keep the fires of Leaf Nation stoked and listening into every word he twats.
 
LOF doesn't seem to understand that as much as you are trying to improve your team, GM's of the other teams are also trying to improve theirs.
 
corksens said:
Toronto taking Savard and sending Finger to Boston in return does NOTHING to improve their cap problems...regardless of the total $$$ left in the contract.
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It does lots.

They can't bury Savard's $7M cash/$4M cap hit in the minors for 7 years, for several reasons. But they can save $3.5M cash overall and certainly bury AHLer Finger in the minors for two years.

They can also use what leverage they have (next to none) to try to get us to take Ryder off their hands in the deal.
 
number17 said:
On paper, you are right.

But concussion is a serious injury. For weeks after the hit Savard couldn't even get up from bed without throwing up.

Sometimes all it takes is 1 concussion and the player's never the same. Not saying that is the case with Savard now, and the fact he could at least lace up and play in the Flyers series was a good sign.

But all I'm saying is, be cautious, and Burke & Co gotta fully realize it is a RISK still.

Plus, think about this - the Bruins were an offensively challenged team last season, and despite how the Toronto media thinks Burke got fleeced in the Kessel trade, the Bruins media and fans were equally harsh on Chia when his team struggled in the season, and when they couldn't even buy a goal.

So when they go to Savard, and ask him to waive his NTC so that they can move him - that should be at least raise at least a yellow flag.
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Oh, I agree entirely. Like I said, if his head clears all the baseline tests (which it must have for him to play in the Philly series) you proceed with caution....but saying that Savard is "breaking down" is just inaccurate. The concussion is the only major concern with him, but it was his first in 6 years, his first severe concussion and it's really the only reason he's not only available, but at a monstrously discounted rate.

Sure, there are concerns on our side, but they're concerns that we're well equipped to handle as an organization. We have young, talented centre depth should Savard become injured again. We have the money to quite easily soak up his contract in our hockey ops budget should he go on LTIR.

The upside is too tantalizing to pass up though, he comes back gangbusters and we have ourselves a 80-90pt centre with instant chemistry with our potential 50 goal winger....for a 4.2 million dollar cap hit.

Think about that for a second...it's quite possible that we get a combined 70 goals and 150 points out of Kessel & Savard, for 9.6 million in caphit.
 
I think its extreamly wishful thinking to think we could palm Finger off on the Bruins in a Savard deal. Whats their real incentive there?

I don't actually think Savard will be a Leaf when all is said and done anyhow.
 
TheBrown is guilty of a nothing update about nothing just to keep the fires of Leaf Nation stoked and listening into every word he twats.
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I find LeBrun to be a great source. Unlike Eklund, who you know posts just to get hits on a site, LeBrun posts reliable updates and often his tweets on certain topics are in response to fans asking him questions. He's answered me quite a few times. I find him to be right up there with McKenzie, Dreger, and a couple others.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
It does lots.

They can't bury Savard's $7M cash/$4M cap hit in the minors for 7 years, for several reasons. But they can save $3.5M cash overall and certainly bury AHLer Finger in the minors for two years.

They can also use what leverage they have (next to none) to try to get us to take Ryder off their hands in the deal.
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Oh boy. You are actually serious. This is unbelievable.

Do you actually think that Ottawa wouldn't be able to do one better if Burke "insisted" on fvcking Chiarelli?
 
leafman101 said:
LOF doesn't seem to understand that as much as you are trying to improve your team, GM's of the other teams are also trying to improve theirs.
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Alright, now I'm starting to get angry, so I think this will be my final post for today.

If you haven't understood why Boston would improve their situation (by getting RID of Savard, which is what they want to do), then I won't bore you by repeating myself.

I understand full well the Savard situation, just as I did the Kessel situation, when few of you did. This is just another instance for those who just don't get it here to just not get it. Kudos to the few that don't get instantly inebriated by the mention of Savard's name and actually appreciate the relative bargaining positions of the teams and the risks of the deal for us.
 
MindzEye said:
Oh, I agree entirely. Like I said, if his head clears all the baseline tests (which it must have for him to play in the Philly series) you proceed with caution....but saying that Savard is "breaking down" is just inaccurate. The concussion is the only major concern with him, but it was his first in 6 years, his first severe concussion and it's really the only reason he's not only available, but at a monstrously discounted rate.

Sure, there are concerns on our side, but they're concerns that we're well equipped to handle as an organization. We have young, talented centre depth should Savard become injured again. We have the money to quite easily soak up his contract in our hockey ops budget should he go on LTIR.

The upside is too tantalizing to pass up though, he comes back gangbusters and we have ourselves a 80-90pt centre with instant chemistry with our potential 50 goal winger....for a 4.2 million dollar cap hit.

Think about that for a second...it's quite possible that we get a combined 70 goals and 150 points out of Kessel & Savard, for 9.6 million in caphit.
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I understand, and as someone who's picked Savard 'under the radar' year after year in the pool for the past 5 years, I know Savard can put up points.

Thus, all I'm saying is "proceed with caution".

I think the beauty of a possible savard deal is we don't have to give up Kaberle for him, and thus we can turn Kaberle into another top 6 forward and really bolster our top 6 forwards in the same summer.
 
corksens said:
Oh boy. You are actually serious. This is unbelievable.

Do you actually think that Ottawa wouldn't be able to do one better if Burke "insisted" on fvcking Chiarelli?
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For oncesh in Murray'sh life, he might be doing shomething right by reportedly not having any interesht in Shavard.

And where doesh that leave Boshton?

Up shit's creek where we can make them drink some of the water.
 
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Hoss said:
Mitchell at 550 000 is a good deal to throw into a team that needs a low salary.

A signed Kulemin @ 2.9 million plus Mitchell at 550 000 plus a 3rd round pick for Savard
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I may or may not underrate Kulemin... but one thing that is certain.... Mitchell at any price has no trade value. There are 50 guys like that available as UFAs and every team has like 20 of them in their system. the only way Mitchell is involved in a trade is as a warm body to fill a roster spot.

Like I said, I may underrate Kulemin but I really can't see him having a lot of trade value if he's signed at $2.9 a year.
 
Habspatrol said:
I may or may not underrate Kulemin... but one thing that is certain.... Mitchell at any price has no trade value. There are 50 guys like that available as UFAs and every team has like 20 of them in their system. the only way Mitchell is involved in a trade is as a warm body to fill a roster spot.

Like I said, I may underrate Kulemin but I really can't see him having a lot of trade value if he's signed at $2.9 a year.
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Absolutely bang on

sans that gay sig
 
The frustrating thing with Kulemin is that I genuinely believe that in just a couple of years he'll be worth every bit of 3M per, maybe more. But he just hasn't earned that contract yet, and in the cap era, we just can't give him that money based on a hunch.
 
Then they should do what Kyper says they are, give him more term, which will equate to more dollars.

They must have see just how good Kuly will be over the latter half of last season. They won't let him go.
 
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