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zeke said:
They're both fast, gritty puckhogs who love to skate round and round in circles.

but Grabo actually has some skill.
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Moore is a decent 3rd liner. He'll be lining up for another 1 year deal with about 20-30 players who are in the same boat.
 
What exactly have you guys seen in Simmonds that you're all so enamoured?? I just don't get it? I go to around 10-15 Kings games a year here, and I'm telling you, this guy is a third liner.

Where have you guys even seen him play? I looked up the Kings-Leafs game last year, where they won 5-3 against us, and he had no points, one shot, and was a -2. Down the stretch last year, in the final 10 games, he had one measley assist. In the playoffs, he had three points in a six game ouster at the hands of the Canucks.

What in the world has possessed you guys to think that this nobody is fair value for Tomas ****ing Kaberle???

If this somehow goes down - and I have next to no doubt that Burke would never do it - I will need to be banned from here because I will lose my shit.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
What exactly have you guys seen in Simmonds that you're all so enamoured?? I just don't get it? I go to around 10-15 Kings games a year here, and I'm telling you, this guy is a third liner.

Where have you guys even seen him play? I looked up the Kings-Leafs game last year, where they won 5-3 against us, and he had no points, one shot, and was a -2. Down the stretch last year, in the final 10 games, he had one measley assist. In the playoffs, he had three points in a six game ouster at the hands of the Canucks.

What in the world has possessed you guys to think that this nobody is fair value for Tomas ****ing Kaberle???

If this somehow goes down - and I have next to no doubt that Burke would never do it - I will need to be banned from here because I will lose my shit.
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The potential of this deal just got better.
 
• Wingers Kris Versteeg and Colby Armstrong will very likely not be the only additions for the Toronto Maple Leafs this summer.

The Leafs still want to add another top-six forward on top of Versteeg and continue to dangle defenseman Tomas Kaberle in trade talks.

"We continue to listen on Kaberle and to explore other trade opportunities," Leafs GM Brian Burke told ESPN.com via e-mail Wednesday.

Burke added that if they don't get the top-six forward they want in exchange for Kaberle, they will keep him.


- Lebrun
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Nothing we haven't already heard, but glad to hear Burke is sticking to his mantra that if we can't get proper value for Kaberle, he's gonna keep him.

More than okay with that.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
What exactly have you guys seen in Simmonds that you're all so enamoured?? I just don't get it? I go to around 10-15 Kings games a year here, and I'm telling you, this guy is a third liner.
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He's a 21 year old, who scored at a 2nd line rate with 3rd line minutes. What's exactly wrong with that?

I was just looking at his icetime breakdowns from this past year, and when he played 2nd line + minutes, he played at about a 60 point pace.

Not to mention, he's big, he plays an aggressive style, he's good defensively and he's a Scarborough boy.

Exactly the type of player the Leafs should be targeting for Kaberle.
 
He's seriously not even in the ballpark when it comes to proper value for Kaberle.

Burke would be chased out of town if he structured a deal for Simmonds as the centerpiece.

I mean, I'm sorry, it's just laughable.
 
Kabs is a 50 pt defencmen on a mediocre team, put him on a good team and he's a lock for 60 plus points easily. Defencmen like that are hard to come by, whereas potential 50-60pt players like Simmons are a dime a dozen. If the kings want to offer Simmons, thats fine but they're going to need to sweeten the pot a bit more if they want Kabs.
 
Phil Kessel was a 50-60 point player last season....he is not a dime a dozen player, quit throwing that lame phrase around.
 
Matt Stajan was a 50-60 point player as a 25/26 year old, Kessel and Simmonds were 50-60 point players as 21 year olds, clearly there is a difference.
 
Nikolai Kulemin (23 years old)

2nd round (44th overall) 2006 NHL Entry Draft

POS: RW/LW
Height: 6'1 Weight: 225 pounds

2008-09 (age 22): 73 GP 15 goals 16 assists 31 points -8 13:48 TOI/G (82 game pace: 17 goals 18 assists 35 points -8)
2009-10 (age 23): 78 GP 16 goals 20 assists 36 points E rating 16:22 TOI/G (82 game pace: 17 goals 21 assists 38 points E rating)

Two year totals: 151 GP 31 goals 36 assists 67 points -8 15:08 TOI/G
Two year 82 game pace: 17 goals 20 assists 37 points -4 15:08 TOI/G

Wayne Simmonds (21 years old)

2nd round (61st overall) 2007 NHL Entry Draft

POS: RW
Height: 6'2 Weight: 183 pounds

2008-09 (age 20): 82 GP 9 goals 14 assists 23 points -8 13:50 TOI/G
2009-10 (age 21): 78 GP 16 goals 24 assists 40 points +22 14:29 TOI/G (82 game pace: 17 goals 25 assists 42 points +23)

Two year totals: 160 GP 25 goals 38 assists 63 points +14 14:09 TOI/G
Two year 82 game pace: 13 goals 19 assists 32 points +7 14:09 TOI/G
 
And I realize Simmonds only have 40 points last season, but as a 20 year-old, he has the potential to be much better than that.
 
Metalleaf said:
And I realize Simmonds only have 40 points last season, but as a 20 year-old, he has the potential to be much better than that.
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I never said Simmons wasnt a decent player, what I said was he shouldnt be the main centre piece in a trade for Kaberle. And yes guys like Simmons are quite easy to find, guys like Kabs are rare.
 
2nd round picks that make the team out of training camp as teenagers and play all 82 games without being scratched once because they're already good enough defensively to play in all situations are "quite easy to find?" Really?
 
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