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MindzEye said:
Isn't there a pretty good precedent for that type of move?

2 1sts + 2nd.....

Kaberle + Schenn >> 2 1sts + 2nd
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Every single person here thought it would have been ludicrous to give up Kaberle and #7 for Kessel last year. But now they want to give up Kaberle and Schenn.
 
Killer93 said:
Hey my buddy down at MLSE says the Ducks really want Kaberle but have only offered Lupul and a mid round pick. Burke is trying to pry away Sbisa in the deal; take it with a grain of salt once again.
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Lupul, Sbisa, and a mid round pick?

Umm....I think I'll just re-sign Kabs instead, thanks.
 
If you want Ryan, you're going to have to overpay for him because the Ducks have no reason to move him.

So we can forget about any 'fair' trades for him.

I think he's worth overpaying for. A forward core that consists of Ryan, Kessel, Kadri, Bozak is pretty damn tempting. Size, speed, skill, aggression.
 
Killer93 said:
Hey my buddy down at MLSE says the Ducks really want Kaberle but have only offered Lupul and a mid round pick. Burke is trying to pry away Sbisa in the deal; take it with a grain of salt once again.
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I have a hard time believing that Sbisa would be the hold up in a Kaberle deal, or that Lupul is a "top 6 forward" of high enough quality that Burke thinks that he's improving his team by flipping Kaberle for him.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
If you want Ryan, you're going to have to overpay for him because the Ducks have no reason to move him.

So we can forget about any 'fair' trades for him.

I think he's worth overpaying for. A forward core that consists of Ryan, Kessel, Kadri, Bozak is pretty damn tempting. Size, speed, skill, aggression.
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Well, except for the fact that it's clear that they're a fair bit apart in contract talks and that last I heard, both Ryan & Murray were showing a little bit of frustration with the situation.

Not saying it's going to happen, it's clearly not as contentious as the Bruins with Kessel was, but every day this stretches out it becomes more and more likely that one of the sides decides that enough is enough and that it's time to find Bobby Ryan a new team.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
If you want Ryan, you're going to have to overpay for him because the Ducks have no reason to move him.
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There is a difference between overpaying, and giving up way too much to the detriment of your team.

Ryan isn't the kind of player you overpay like that for. A player who has shown he can do it at this level is.

its not the same as giving up a bunch of unknowns for Kessel. You are giving up known, valuable commodities for an unknown here and praying for the best.
 
leafman101 said:
There is a difference between overpaying, and giving up way too much to the detriment of your team.

Ryan isn't the kind of player you overpay like that for. A player who has shown he can do it at this level is.

its not the same as giving up a bunch of unknowns for Kessel. You are giving up known, valuable commodities for an unknown here and praying for the best.
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He's very comparable to Kessel in terms of age/production.

And I wouldn't trade Kessel for Kaberle/Schenn.

Young, elite, goal scorers are the hardest players to find.

You obviously have to believe Ryan's going to be at least a 40/80 player for the trade to make sense. I wouldn't bet against him becoming that type of guy.
 
He's directly comparable to Kessel. And a year ago, Burke, with everyone here in agreement, refused to give up Kaberle and the 7th overall pick for Kessel.
 
And all this trade talk has seemed to make people forget just how damn good Kaberle is.

At least thats the way it seems.

Right now Kaberle is a better player than Ryan. That may always be the case.
 
leafman101 said:
He's directly comparable to Kessel. And a year ago, Burke, with everyone here in agreement, refused to give up Kaberle and the 7th overall pick for Kessel.
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It depends on who that top pick is for me.

I'd trade Kaberle + Schenn (#5) for Ryan. But I wouldn't trade Kaberle + Kadri (#7) for Ryan.
 
leafman101 said:
Its all relative.

You aren't trading Kaberle and Schenn for Ryan to be a 30 goal 60 point winger.
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He's 23, man. It is highly unlikely that he's topped out.

Relative to a guy who scores 25 goals, yeah, he's a lot better. It's an understatement to say he's a 30 goal man, as he's blown by that two years running.

He's also got some nice size to go with the sick offensive skill. If this guy is on the block, I'd give up Kabs and Schenn for him - just throw in a B prospect or 2nd round pick and it's done.
 
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