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BG
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My favourite is people who's first reaction is to swerve to pass before they even think to touch the brake. The commute/traffic is something I don't miss about moving back to the Northwest.
mbow30
Spudmeister Supreme
i'd probably do it, though i don't think that's a great trade by any stretch.
the leafs just kind of allocate resources differently.
i'm not sure about ryan, though.
i think i would have liked to see a bit more out of him by now -- especially when you consider the fact that he's spent the past two years surrounded by insane talent (three all time greats in niedermayer, selanne and pronger; two present day all stars in getzlaf and perry).
but i think i'd make that deal. because it'd be pointless to deal kaberle for anything less than that.. and, yeah, i don't see schenn eclipsing 30-35 points...
zeke
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I understand the closeness in age - but physically speaking, Luke Schenn was an early bloomer who was developed far ahead of his peers, and manlike already at age 17. Myers was a very late bloomer, was still growing at age 19, and isn't even yet finished developing physically.
Luke was the top dman on that team, playing in all situations, whereas Myers was well behind on the depth chart, a late developing project.
johnunit
New member
I love getting tailgated at 125-130K on the 401, especially when I'm already pressuring the guy ahead of me a bit.
It's extra bad for me with a car wider than most SUV's because people don't see the car ahead of me and assume I'm putting along (relatively speaking) on my own.
I went to a car club meet (Crownvic.net's meet at the Saint Thomas plant where those cars are made) and was in convoy with a guy who has a grey newer crown victoria. It looks EXACTLY like an unmarked OPP car. The stream of jackasses blowing past me (with me doing 130 and the middle lane doing 120ish) and then ducking back in behind when they saw the "cop" in front of me was hilarious.
In general, especially in any sort of heavy traffic, all driving in a "hurry" does is kill your fuel economy.
It's extra bad for me with a car wider than most SUV's because people don't see the car ahead of me and assume I'm putting along (relatively speaking) on my own.
I went to a car club meet (Crownvic.net's meet at the Saint Thomas plant where those cars are made) and was in convoy with a guy who has a grey newer crown victoria. It looks EXACTLY like an unmarked OPP car. The stream of jackasses blowing past me (with me doing 130 and the middle lane doing 120ish) and then ducking back in behind when they saw the "cop" in front of me was hilarious.
In general, especially in any sort of heavy traffic, all driving in a "hurry" does is kill your fuel economy.
number17
Mod Squad
I think if the asking price is Kaberle + Schenn for Ryan, I won't do it.
Kaberle alone should have pretty significant trade value, and Schenn has shown a lot of promises at a young age already. These 2 guys represent half of a very good top 4, and that's a steep price to pay.
On the other hand, as much as I like Ryan, he is somewhat redundant when we already have Kessel. Nothing wrong with 2 x Kessel, but ideally you want another winger who plays a different style. Maybe someone who plays more on the edge, maybe someone who has more of a physical presence.
I agree with Jays. I think if Anaheim sweeten the deal I might do it. I'm very reluctant to trade Schenn though, as much as I like Ryan.
Kaberle alone should have pretty significant trade value, and Schenn has shown a lot of promises at a young age already. These 2 guys represent half of a very good top 4, and that's a steep price to pay.
On the other hand, as much as I like Ryan, he is somewhat redundant when we already have Kessel. Nothing wrong with 2 x Kessel, but ideally you want another winger who plays a different style. Maybe someone who plays more on the edge, maybe someone who has more of a physical presence.
I agree with Jays. I think if Anaheim sweeten the deal I might do it. I'm very reluctant to trade Schenn though, as much as I like Ryan.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
I would agree with this. One of the knocks on Myers was that scouts didn't feel that his skating would be good enough from junior to make the transition offensively at the next level. He worked hard and became an above-average skater because of the work that he put into his game between his draft year and his 19 year-old first post-draft season. He improved even more as he grew into his massive frame before being called up to Buffalo and we've seen the difference in his offensive game as his mobility improved. Luke was always seen as the "safe" pick out of the four universally-praised top defencemen available back in 2008, but even ISS saw something with Tyler because they were the only scouting service that had him in the top five (fourth overall) before the draft.
number17
Mod Squad
Yes Schenn was considered a 'safe' pick.
Was Myers' skating THAT bad as a 17 year old? It's interesting because I think the biggest reason Myers had such an amazing season is he's a big man who can skate well. He isn't just an average skater in the NHL, but he's a good skater.
If skating was his weakness at 17 then he's come a LOOONNG way
Was Myers' skating THAT bad as a 17 year old? It's interesting because I think the biggest reason Myers had such an amazing season is he's a big man who can skate well. He isn't just an average skater in the NHL, but he's a good skater.
If skating was his weakness at 17 then he's come a LOOONNG way
hockeylover
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The problem is that you're likely going to have to overpay to get Ryan out of Anaheim and that's why it might just take a package like Kaberle + Schenn. It would be difficult to swallow though but I think any time you're grabbing a kid like that at 22 you're likely going to be giving up something of good value.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
It wasn't a "weakness" per say. He still moved well for a big man. But when you're dealing with someone that was close to 6'7 on the day they were drafted, and really there hadn't been a quality blueliner of that size (really a giraffe) since a considerably rawer Chara played for Prince George in 1996-97, there are concerns -- both with respect to skating and to the potential of knee injuries. You just don't want to see a guy like Myers go through what has stagnated Jared Cowen.
PlayerToBeNamedLater
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If the Leafs didn't get Phaneuf, I'd agree that it would be pretty crazy to trade both Kaberle and Schenn -- especially together in the same deal.
But with the addition of Phaneuf, it gives the Leafs a lot more options regarding their blueline. Phaneuf, Beauchemin and Komi are all proven and capable top 2-4 dmen and they've played these roles on good-great teams. Gunnarsson handled top 4 minutes very well last year -- as a rookie. Even with Kaberle/Schenn gone, the Leafs still have 4 capable top 4 dmen -- although Burke would still have to deal for another dman if a trade like this went down.
Adding Ryan sets up the Leafs very nicely upfront for a very long time. Up the middle, Kadri and Bozak would each have a young, elite winger to play with. And all four of these guys are under 24 years old with the potential to be PPG players.
There's no doubt you'd be giving up a lot, but if that's the price for an elite, young, player that fills a big need -- I can live with it.
But with the addition of Phaneuf, it gives the Leafs a lot more options regarding their blueline. Phaneuf, Beauchemin and Komi are all proven and capable top 2-4 dmen and they've played these roles on good-great teams. Gunnarsson handled top 4 minutes very well last year -- as a rookie. Even with Kaberle/Schenn gone, the Leafs still have 4 capable top 4 dmen -- although Burke would still have to deal for another dman if a trade like this went down.
Adding Ryan sets up the Leafs very nicely upfront for a very long time. Up the middle, Kadri and Bozak would each have a young, elite winger to play with. And all four of these guys are under 24 years old with the potential to be PPG players.
There's no doubt you'd be giving up a lot, but if that's the price for an elite, young, player that fills a big need -- I can live with it.
Aberdeen
Well-known member
I think this logic is bang on. But I can't help but feel Burkonis would come to the same conclusion and it's just not doing it for the Ducks. If we could have pressured them with an offer sheet it might have quickened things a little.
number17
Mod Squad
The one thing that stands out about our team - not just now, but potentially for years to come, is we have one hell of a blueline from 1 to 6. You don't have to be a homer to call this 6-pack a top 3 defense in the league.
If you remove Kaberle and Schenn, all of a sudden our defense, though adequate, doesn't give us the edge anymore.
It'll look something like ...
Phaneuf - Beauch
Gunnarson - Komi
Lebda - ???
Where the 6th guy might be a young guy from the minors like Aulie or Mikus, or it may be a veteran we pickup for cheap like McKee. (No, it won't be Finger.)
That blueline is fine, but it's a significant downgrade from what we have.
I understand we gotta give up something good for something good, but still, Kaberle AND Schenn is a very steep price to pay, and I am not sure Ryan alone is good enough. Actually, I don't think it is.
If you remove Kaberle and Schenn, all of a sudden our defense, though adequate, doesn't give us the edge anymore.
It'll look something like ...
Phaneuf - Beauch
Gunnarson - Komi
Lebda - ???
Where the 6th guy might be a young guy from the minors like Aulie or Mikus, or it may be a veteran we pickup for cheap like McKee. (No, it won't be Finger.)
That blueline is fine, but it's a significant downgrade from what we have.
I understand we gotta give up something good for something good, but still, Kaberle AND Schenn is a very steep price to pay, and I am not sure Ryan alone is good enough. Actually, I don't think it is.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
hockeylover
Well-known member
Yeah, Vancouver, really?
How is:
Hamhuis
Ballard
Bieksa
Salo
Edler
Ehrhoff
O'Brien
better than
Phaneuf
Kaberle
Komisarek
Beauchemin
Gunnarsson
Schenn
Lebda
??
How is:
Hamhuis
Ballard
Bieksa
Salo
Edler
Ehrhoff
O'Brien
better than
Phaneuf
Kaberle
Komisarek
Beauchemin
Gunnarsson
Schenn
Lebda
??