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Player is right. Schenn is a similar calibre prospect to Kadri; if you'd trade Kaberle for Kadri, you should want to trade Kaberle for Schenn.
 
Maybe the Isles too.


I think people need to start accepting the fact that this deal, if made, is going to be closer to a 1 year rental. Kaberle's agent seems to indicate if moved he will definatly test the UFA waters.
 
As we discussed last night, Jonas, there is no such thing as a one-year "rental." Potentially over 100 games of hockey in no way is conducive to a "rental" acquisition (like a deadline player would be). I have no doubt in my mind that Kaberle's contract will not provide an impediment to him moving. Opposition GM's are aware that it's a one year contract and will have the course of the regular-season and playoffs to negotiate an extension should they so choose. And in a lot of cases it's actually an asset. As Mark Shapiro (Cleveland Indians GM) once stated: "there is no such thing as a bad one year contract." I happen to agree with him. It provides additional flexibility and manouvering room if anything.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
As we discussed last night, Jonas, there is no such thing as a one-year "rental." Potentially over 100 games of hockey in no way is conducive to a "rental" acquisition (like a deadline player would be). I have no doubt in my mind that Kaberle's contract will not provide an impediment to him moving. Opposition GM's are aware that it's a one year contract and will have the course of the regular-season and playoffs to negotiate an extension should they so choose. And in a lot of cases it's actually an asset. As Mark Shapiro (Cleveland Indians GM) once stated: "there is no such thing as a bad one year contract." I happen to agree with him. It provides additional flexibility and manouvering room if anything.
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I never said it was an impediment to moving him, but it does lower his value if the GM knows that Kaberle has no interest in signing long term with his club.

From everything we can understand about Kaberle, he really really doesnt want to leave Toronto or specifically the East coast. Then his agent comes in and basically says if dealt his client will test the UFA market.

THat has to be a big red flag to teams like Dallas, Los Angeles and San Jose. Especially considering Burke wants a key roster player in return. That contender is now risking losing Kaberle at the end of the year, and a key cog on the team as well.

As i mentioned to you last night i find Dallas intriguing. They are purging money right now. Have been unable to re-sign James Neal, Nik Grossman, and Matt Niskanen to new contracts.

A deal that makes some sense to me is the following.

To Dallas- Tomas Kaberle and Mikael Grabovski
To Toronto- Mike Ribiero and James Neal.

Burke gets 2 assets that help him now, and Dallas voids itself of an ugly contract and a guy they likely cant afford to keep. At the same time with Kaberle they can make a playoff push. If that push happens to fail they have the top pending UFA D ( Kaberle) and top pending UFA F ( B Richards) to dangle at the deadline to get the assets they want.
 
I never said it was an impediment to moving him, but it does lower his value if the GM knows that Kaberle has no interest in signing long term with his club.
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Why? The only teams that would likely be interested in Kaberle have a short window of contention within which to work. Why would a shorter contract lower his value? If he plays well it provides the impetus and framework for future negotiations to be built around, and if the trade is a failure and Kaberle does not adjust well to his new team and surroundings they can simply let him go in the off-season at not additional cost to themselves rather than having to work out a trade and deal him away themselves or be stuck with a cumbersome contract if he doesn't play well.

From everything we can understand about Kaberle, he really really doesnt want to leave Toronto or specifically the East coast. Then his agent comes in and basically says if dealt his client will test the UFA market.
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Again, this would not necessarily be a bad thing for a team working under the constraints of a limited window of contention (such as a San Jose).

THat has to be a big red flag to teams like Dallas, Los Angeles and San Jose. Especially considering Burke wants a key roster player in return. That contender is now risking losing Kaberle at the end of the year, and a key cog on the team as well.
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Based on the type of players that have been theorized as coming to the Leafs in any type of Kaberle trade I wouldn't exactly call Ryan Clowe or Devin Setoguchi "key cogs" on their respective rosters. A team like Columbus on the other hand would be more hesitant to part with Voracek/Brassard given how much future is invested in those players. However, on the flip side of the equation, there is also significant pressure on teams like the Jackets to stop rebuilding and actually make a push for playoff sucess for once in their organization's history.
 
For those who were thinking about Belanger or Kennedy, this is what Burke had to say on the Fan this morning:

"There are some pretty good hockey players out of work. From our perspective...we're focusing on, where we can, with our bottom 6 forwards and bottom 2 d, we're going to go with our group, if we can, and we are going to go young if we can, because we are spending a disproportionate amount of money on the top 6."
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MyNameIsJonas said:
I never said it was an impediment to moving him, but it does lower his value if the GM knows that Kaberle has no interest in signing long term with his club.

From everything we can understand about Kaberle, he really really doesnt want to leave Toronto or specifically the East coast. Then his agent comes in and basically says if dealt his client will test the UFA market.

THat has to be a big red flag to teams like Dallas, Los Angeles and San Jose. Especially considering Burke wants a key roster player in return. That contender is now risking losing Kaberle at the end of the year, and a key cog on the team as well.
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Kaberle and his agent wouldn't be very smart if they didn't seriously discuss an extension prior to the season.

A lot can happen during a long NHL season. Another Cam Janssen type hit and he could cost himself a lot of money.
 
Volcanologist said:
We're spending a disproportionate amount on the top 6? Really?
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Music to my ear.

Many worried Burke was following the footstep of JFJ when he signed Armstrong to a $3M contract. Personally, I have no problem with Armstrong's contract because he's a 2.5 more than a 3rd liner, and he brings other things to the table, but it is a problem if this becomes a pattern and he keeps signing expensive bottom 6 F and bottom 3 D.

Good thing he realizes go young and go cheap is the way to go with these positions.
 
I'm having a hard time translating that quote.

Did he just say there that he was going to stick with our current guys for the bottom 6 forwards? Or did he say he was focussing on improving the bottom 6 forwards?
 
He's saying he's going with the young cheap guys he's got. Hanson, Mitchell, Caputi, Brown, Sjostrom, Mueller, D'Amigo, etc.

Young and cheap.
 
zeke, let's just think about this for a second.

By that quote it sounds like Burke has slotted a 3 million dollar Armstrong into a 2nd line role.

So not only is he being overpaid, but he's also being put into a position which is over his head, and likely takes away from someone who at least has the potential to be a 2nd line hockey player.
 
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zeke, let's just think about this for a second.

By that quote it sounds like Burke has slotted a 3 million dollar Armstrong into a 2nd line role.

So not only is he being overpaid, but he's also being put into a position which is over his head, and likely takes away from someone who at least has the potential to be a 2nd line hockey player.
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Armstrong's been a 2nd liner every year of his career.
 
Wasn't Armstrong Crosby's winger? Honestly sometimes some of you people don't know what the **** your talking about.
 
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