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Remember when Burke canceled that charity event and then someone said they saw him in Boston? He was a witness for the NHL against Kovalchuk.
 
Remember when Burke canceled that charity event and then someone said they saw him in Boston? He was a witness for the NHL against Kovalchuk.

He mentions his involvement with the Kovalchuk arbitration at the end of this clip.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNOIvdL7hE"]YouTube- Brian Burke talks World Hockey Summit, Kaberle[/ame]
 
Afterall, Burke was the director of operations for the NHL, and the right hand man of the commissioner not too long ago.
 
ColtonOrr Should be some great battles this season in the East with myself, Boogaard, Godard, King, Shelley, Gillies etc. The conference is STACKED! The Sens have a tough guy too but I just can't remember his name ;)

Not sure HE can remember his name.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27IBNb-MUzA"]YouTube- Colton Orr KOs Matt Carkner[/ame]
 
Afterall, Burke was the director of operations for the NHL, and the right hand man of the commissioner not too long ago.

I don't see how the NHL could ask any GM to stand up against another GM's contract offer.

Maybe he was called in as a potential trade partner, proving to the league that the Devils could indeed create the cap room to fit Kovey's new salary.
 
One thing I think Orr, and so many other 'enforcers' should do more, is to get under people's skin.

Orr can fight with anybody in the league, but when he's not dropping his gloves he doesn't do nearly enough agitation or stir up the pot.

I really feel if fighting is all an enforcer can do, he's not even half as useful as he would be in the new NHL.
 
One thing Colton does that Belak didn't do so much is intimidate with hits and going after non-goons. With Belak, you wouldn't really feel like a middle-weight or even non-fighter would have to stand up to Belak if they threw a cheapshot. Colton though, you could see him going after a Ruutu/Avery/Ott type shithead, instigator rule or not, if the situation called for it.
 
I thought Orr did an admirable job on the forecheck last season, he's a decent skater and seemed pretty comfortable in Wilson's system.
 
I don't see how the NHL could ask any GM to stand up against another GM's contract offer.

Maybe he was called in as a potential trade partner, proving to the league that the Devils could indeed create the cap room to fit Kovey's new salary.

Burke has been very outspoken against these contracts. He's the obvious guy to bring in for the NHL.
 
Orr got a ton of stupid penalties for going after guys last year. 5 on 5 he's practically useless, and bordering on liability.

He's one of the best fighters around though.
 
One thing I think Orr, and so many other 'enforcers' should do more, is to get under people's skin.

Orr can fight with anybody in the league, but when he's not dropping his gloves he doesn't do nearly enough agitation or stir up the pot.

I really feel if fighting is all an enforcer can do, he's not even half as useful as he would be in the new NHL.


I could not agree more. The thing is, with these enforcers, is that they feel, and how can you argue against it, that they are actually engaging in the most dangerous occassion in sports.

Bare knuckle fighting is truly, the most offside thing going TODAY. At least, that we KNOW about. Trust ME, on that one. No protection on the hand, right into the nose,eyes and face itself? Pretty damaging stuff.

They figure, that they are doing ENOUGH, just with having to engage in what they do. From talking with some, and talking to EX-enforcers, like Shayne, Darcy, Ed Van Impe, Larry Zeidel, Don Cherry etc... They all feel that they do or did enough. Zeidel, felt that every little dig was just going to get you more beaten up actually.

They have sort of a code between themselves. Its pretty strange and fascinating in a primitive sort of way.
 
I don't see how the NHL could ask any GM to stand up against another GM's contract offer.

The reason why the contract was under review by a 3rd party arbitrator was because the Players Association filed a grievance, not the New Jersey Devils.

This is not a situation where a GM is standing up against another GM.

This is the NHL vs the NHLPA

GMs are not part of the Players Association and they work strictly for the NHL. They can be character witnesses against the union that represents the players.

Players on the flip side, as they are paying members of the union, can be a character witness for the PA against the NHL.
 
I could not agree more. The thing is, with these enforcers, is that they feel, and how can you argue against it, that they are actually engaging in the most dangerous occassion in sports.

Bare knuckle fighting is truly, the most offside thing going TODAY. At least, that we KNOW about. Trust ME, on that one. No protection on the hand, right into the nose,eyes and face itself? Pretty damaging stuff.
Damaging for sure, and dangerous? Yeah of course. I mean, if you think bare knuckle on nose and face is bad enough, think about the odd times you gotta fight a guy with his helmet, and worse - visor on. And then there's the hard ice surface in the case of a fall. People break their hands, their arms, and get concussion from fighting all the times. You can even die or suffer serious injury if you call back and knock your head on the ice.

But all that said, in the grand scheme of things, fighting is rather irrelevant to the outcome of a game, and enforcers are doing very little for the team if all they do is fight.

In the new NHL, fighting doesn't happen nearly as much as before, and enforcers don't fight every game ... heck, not even every week. The odd times they do fight, the 'momentum lift' that they supposedly give their team is arguable.

Many teams are going without enforcers these days, and honestly, if all an enforcer can do is fight, then they add little to no value to the team.

If you can fight AND agitate, then it is a different story. If you can agitate, get under the opponent's skin, make solid and legit hits, or maybe even play a decent checking role, and maybe kill penalties, then all of a sudden you're a valuable player.

Orr is a great fighter, but to justify his value to the team (and hence his icetime) he really needs to do other stuffs more. Agitating will be a good start.
 
Speaking of toughness, not that he's a major piece, but how do you guys see Mike Brown fitting in? Is he fast, good defensively, forechecker...or pretty much pointless if we've already got Orr on the ice?
 
One thing I think Orr, and so many other 'enforcers' should do more, is to get under people's skin.

Orr can fight with anybody in the league, but when he's not dropping his gloves he doesn't do nearly enough agitation or stir up the pot.

I really feel if fighting is all an enforcer can do, he's not even half as useful as he would be in the new NHL.
Colton Orr has gotten a wee bit cocky.

It's as if he's forgotten that Carker (who isn't an enforcer, by the way) KO'd him once too.
 
The troubling part is that there's no evidence Orr intimidated anybody. Toughness has to be part of the players who log the big minutes up front, not just a cementhead who can't even play the game. The Leaf forwards as a group are very small and mostly quite soft.
 
Colton Orr has gotten a wee bit cocky.

It's as if he's forgotten that Carker (who isn't an enforcer, by the way) KO'd him once too.
No, I disagree. I think Orr is FINALLY learning how to do his job.

He's purposely 'forgetting' the name of Carkner, his counterpart from his division rival whom he'll play 8 times a year. It doesn't matter if Carkner's ever KO'ed him, but claim victory where he can is part of agitating, and he's finally getting it.

I think Orr's problem has been other than the few minutes he drops his gloves, he has been a non-factor on and off the ice. If he can become the focal point for the next TOR-OTT game, I'd say that's a good start.
 
Speaking of toughness, not that he's a major piece, but how do you guys see Mike Brown fitting in? Is he fast, good defensively, forechecker...or pretty much pointless if we've already got Orr on the ice?

I don't know about good defensively, but he is no Orr. He's not a heavyweight, though he can drop the gloves.

He is basically, a big, fast, physical energy forward.

He'll be an effective addition to the 4th line.
 
Colton Orr has gotten a wee bit cocky.

It's as if he's forgotten that Carker (who isn't an enforcer, by the way) KO'd him once too.

Man you're sensitive.

He's joking around poking fun at the fact that he fought the guy a ridiculous amount of times last year.

He didn't say anything disparaging about Carkner.
 
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