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msun30 said:
they gave up bergfors to.. but all those guys stink.

there's something weird going on in jersey, though. kovalchuk deserves his share of the blame but something's not working there. because it isn't just him.
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Theres a few problems. 1. The coach 2. Broduer is aging/declining with nobody in sight to replace him 3. Bad cap managment by Lou 4. No defence in front of Broduer which is exposing his epic decline (if he had a strong D in front he could hide it) 5. Kovalchuck, guy is a selfish me first diva who doesnt play a team oriented game which jersey is famous for. All of these problems have combined into a disaster.
 
msun30 said:
they gave up bergfors to.. but all those guys stink.

there's something weird going on in jersey, though. kovalchuk deserves his share of the blame but something's not working there. because it isn't just him.
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Bergors had 21g/44pts as a rookie, 9 pts behind Duchene (who lead all rookies), plus he had 217 shots. This guy is gonna be something great when he reaches his prime. Odyua is a very solid #4 guy who is great in his own end. Cormiers literally a wild card, but if he can settle his balls down he could turn into a decent player or if he can't he may be a fringe guy, jury's still out. Plus they got a 1st rounder. I'd say atlanta wins this deal both now, and long term.
 
MindzEye said:
That would blow the Kovalchuk trade out of the water.

Which is why I don't think it will cost that much.

Kovalchuk
Salmela

For

Bergfors
Oduya
Patrice Cormier
25th overall

Oduya is a passable 29 yr #4 defender, Cormier a 20 yr old who was sent back to the Q for a 5th go around at it...who at best will turn into an energy line type guy. Bergfors a nice, but small and limited 2nd line calibre forward...and a late 1st.

Atlanta didn't get a lot in that trade at all....and there's no way Richards should get 3 young NHL'ers of that calibre, plus a goalie who would automatically become the Stars goalie of the future.
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You know what? I agree, you're completely right on that. It destroys that deal but I imagine the leaf deal will have to be pretty good because they are asking the stars to trade well before the trade deadline and miss out on those offers. They have a harder sell than Jersey did. I have to say again though, The offer Zeke threw out would get a yes from me if I am the Stars GM, might even save some money on the deal overall.
 
Pronger84 said:
Bergors had 21g/44pts as a rookie, 9 pts behind Duchene (who lead all rookies), plus he had 217 shots. This guy is gonna be something great when he reaches his prime.
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he'll be a 40-50 point second liner.

Odyua is a very solid #4 guy who is great in his own end.
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oduya is a mediocre #4 defenseman who is solid but unspectacular in his own end. he is also overpaid. very replaceable.


Cormiers literally a wild card, but if he can settle his balls down he could turn into a decent player or if he can't he may be a fringe guy, jury's still out. Plus they got a 1st rounder. I'd say atlanta wins this deal both now, and long term.
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by wild card you mean that cormier is a potential 4th liner.

the thrashers got market value in that deal.

and they didn't win the trade.
 
Cpt. Koivu said:
You know what? I agree, you're completely right on that. It destroys that deal but I imagine the leaf deal will have to be pretty good because they are asking the stars to trade well before the trade deadline and miss out on those offers. They have a harder sell than Jersey did. I have to say again though, The offer Zeke threw out would get a yes from me if I am the Stars GM, might even save some money on the deal overall.
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Of course Zeke's offer would get a yes, it's a gross overpayment.

It's a 2/3rds of an excellent 2nd line for the next 10 years, a very solid, young 2-way blueliner, and a goalie prospect who has dominated at every level he's played and is probably ready for backup duty in the NHL.

That's more than we gave up for Phaneuf.
 
well, if you take the best guy out of each grouping I made, it's an overpayment.

but i think the general idea - 4 pieces, 2 being more established 2nd-tier type players and 2 being more prospect-level 2nd tier type players is probably about right.
 
Given that Richards is an impending UFA who just told us he wants to come to Toronto, it is a MASSIVE overpayment.

Some of those names (Kulemin) should be considered untouchable in a trade for Richards.

Something within reason would be:

Grabo/MacArthur, Gunnarson, Caputi, mid pick.
 
Bringing up the cap issues again... but Savard is expected to come back soon, and Isnt Jersey getting some injured players back.

Watching Arnott score 2 today against the caps, he still is a big body.

Arnott would cost alot less than Richards... not as talented, but I think Arnot has the size in a centre we are lacking.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Given that Richards is an impending UFA who just told us he wants to come to Toronto, it is a MASSIVE overpayment.

Some of those names (Kulemin) should be considered untouchable in a trade for Richards.

Something within reason would be:

Grabo/MacArthur, Gunnarson, Caputi, mid pick.
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Where did u hear Richards say he wants to come to Toronto?
 
Ok lets keep this simple, did Richards himself say he wanted to be a leaf, or is this just some average joe talking out of his ass on twitter?
 
reporterchris Brad Richards on #leafs: "When the time comes, if that's an option, Toronto's always a No. 1 destination ... but we're not close to that."
 
hockeylover said:
He said if it came to that, Toronto is a #1 destination but it's early.
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Ok that makes sense then lol. Burke shouldnt trade for him then, he should wait until July 1st. If Richards REALLY wants to be here, he'll sign with us, no sense in giving up assets when we can get him for free.
 
Mega said:
Kadri looked better every shift.
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Kadri had a very good offensive game, had plenty of speed, made a lot of passes, set up Bozak's highlight reel goal, and had a nice chance to get his first NHL goal. That being said, his defensive game left a lot to be desired, he was the direct cause of the Dallas goal, he got caught pinching and made no effort to cover Richards, who got the goal. I thought if anyone should have been benched for the 2nd period it was Kadri, not Kessel. JMO
 
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