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Listen, I am as big of a Giguere backer as anyone, but you just can't rationalize an .893 save percentage. You just can't. That's Toskala 2008-09 bad.
 
he needs to be better but he also deserves a chance to prove that those 3 games prior to the injury was just a bad stretch and possibly brought about by the injury.

that isn't sticking up for him.. he hasn't been good enough, on the whole, but over the first 9 games of the season he gave the leafs good enough goaltending to contend for a playoff spot.

that might have been an aberration, but it might not have been.

and it's not really fair to use the sv% argument just based on sample size. i mean giguere's save percentage is 17 points lower than gustavsson but on the whole i'd say they've played very comparably.. just neither has played enough games at this point to pro/re-gress to their mean.
 
why is that crazy talk?

it's very objective talk.

games of 4+ goals: 1/9
games of 3+ goals: 3/9
games with < .900 s%: 3/9

the guy gave the leafs competitive goaltending; a .909 save% over those 9 games.

nothing wrong with that. he played well. he wasn't outstanding, but he gave the team a chance to win (4-3-2 record).

there's nothing wrong with that. his worst game over that stretch was against the flyers, where he faced 40 shots and hte leafs could barely clear the puck out of their own end (just 13 shots for).

he was fine.

he certainly wasn't bad enough that they should have turned to gus (nor has gus been good enough to justify stealing starts from a goalie turning in the performances giguere was turning in earlier in the season).

his stats right now are bad because of a bad 3-game stretch leading up to the injury.

had gus been lights out while giguere was out then he should still be starting.

but the truth is that he kind of sucked. and then really shat the bed the second giguere was back into the picture and was the single biggest reason why the leafs lost the edmonton game.

i want to see rynnas given a shot really, really badly.

but that doens't appear to be in the cards at the moment.. so long as it isn't then they'll be going with gus and giggy and unfortunately gus still hasn't proven that he's the better goaltender. it's a wash at the very least, though giguere hasn't totally shat the bed in a game like gustavsson did against edmonton....
 
Yes he has Msun.
There was that one game in particular where a few of us were wondering if he needed new contacts.
He has definitely had some suckage going this season.


How come his stats make you like him, but Gus' stats seem to be better?
 
msun30 said:
but the truth is that he kind of sucked. and then really shat the bed the second giguere was back into the picture and was the single biggest reason why the leafs lost the edmonton game.
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OMG man you can't be serious.

Yea he had a bad start but Giguere came in and equally sucked AND the leafs didn't score a ****ing single goal. That is the single biggest reason why we lost.
 
I, too, would like to see Rynnas have a shot.

Not against the likes of Washington or Pittsburgh as his first NHL game, but i would like to see him have a shot.

But, doesn't look like that's an option so if your choices are Gus or Giguere, its gotta be Gus because whatever way you wanna twist the stats they still come back better for Gus.

Earlier in the season i said Gus wasn't getting enough starts. I got my wish and he now basically has the same amount of games as Giguere and the result is Gus > Giggy.
 
Is Gus UFA next season?
Even if he's not, it's a big decision they're making here...why would you want them to rush it?
I mean, I know the Leafs have a great track record when it comes to evaluating goalies, so sure you could speed up the process...but if you are looking at the possibilty of letting a guy go because there is better in the wings...let's make sure.



I'd like to see Rynnas up here too, but in the right situation; not while the team is floundering.
 
Gus isn't going anywhere. He is signed next year and will be a Leaf nex year. But we've seen what he brings. We already know he is an inconsistent goalie who can be dominant for stretches, and suck balls for stretches. There is nothing more to find out. He needs to get over his consistency issues if he wants to be a starter, and its not going to happen today or tomorrow.

We have 3 other guys though, who just may be better than him, and they only reason not to give any of them a look would be if the Leafs and Gus were doing well, not the opposite.
 
Maybe it's just my imagination, but it looked to me like GUS had a lot more work to do when he played. He may have shat the bed on a few, but he made a ton of saves Jiggy wouldn't even have moved on. Was it my imagination?
 
Thank god some of you only talk about running a team.
Giving up on a guy a season and a half in...that'll sure keep your team full of fresh faces anyways.


(for the record, I hope Rynnas is the real deal, but that doesn't change the fact that some of you hypocrites that talk about rebuilding through the draft, or starting from scratch, can't even give kids a couple seasons)
 
Leafyblue said:
Maybe it's just my imagination, but it looked to me like GUS had a lot more work to do when he played. He may have shat the bed on a few, but he made a ton of saves Jiggy wouldn't even have moved on. Was it my imagination?
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some of that, imo, has to do with their respective styles. giguere is just a LOT quieter in net so he makes some of those saves look a lot easier. i don't think the team suddenly got worse defensively when gus took over.
 
Again, I'm not giving up on Gus. I'm just saying we should treat all 4 guys as equal. Gus isn't the only guy that should be seeing playing time. That doesn't mean you have to dump him, just as they aren't giving up on Rynnas, Reimer and Scrivens just because they aren't playing.

Being patient with a guy doesn't mean playing him every game at the expense of other equally diserving players.

It would be like the Habs refusing to play Halak last year because they can't give up on Price. Price wasn't hurt, or given up on by riding the pine. The best guy has to play. Thats the only consideration required.
 
Scriven actually has shown something I haven't seen in anything other than Gustavson. And that is athleticism.

Tim Thomas, being the standard right now, is a combo of Gustavson 2.0 and Rynnas 2.0. Solid as a rock, with need be athleticism for that break your heart save on Beauchemin.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Thank god some of you only talk about running a team.
Giving up on a guy a season and a half in...that'll sure keep your team full of fresh faces anyways.


(for the record, I hope Rynnas is the real deal, but that doesn't change the fact that some of you hypocrites that talk about rebuilding through the draft, or starting from scratch, can't even give kids a couple seasons)
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if the leafs didn't have 3 goalies buried in the minors, two of whom have demonstrated that they at least deserve a game in the nhl, another of whom is buried in the echl because of the depth, then i'd agree.

but as it stands they have to make a pretty quick decision on gustavsson. whether that's fair or not is besides the point. with that said, gustavsson IS 26 years old. so he's not really much of a kid. he's 3 years older than rynnas, 5 years older than reimer and 2 years older than scrivens....

and if by the end of the year he can't prove that he can handle starting duties then, yeah, the leafs are going to have to consider a trade unless they want to head into next year with a 27 year old who is yet to prove he can be a competent starter with a kid with at most maybe a couple of games of experience backing him up... that's not particularly ideal.
 
Jonas Siegel
J.S. Giguere missed practice on Sunday. His status for the game tonight is unknown.

Well it sounds like Giguire is still injured and Riemer has been called up so maybe he'll get a chance at some point.
 
msun30 said:
if the leafs didn't have 3 goalies buried in the minors, two of whom have demonstrated that they at least deserve a game in the nhl, another of whom is buried in the echl because of the depth, then i'd agree.

but as it stands they have to make a pretty quick decision on gustavsson. whether that's fair or not is besides the point. with that said, gustavsson IS 26 years old. so he's not really much of a kid. he's 3 years older than rynnas, 5 years older than reimer and 2 years older than scrivens....

and if by the end of the year he can't prove that he can handle starting duties then, yeah, the leafs are going to have to consider a trade unless they want to head into next year with a 27 year old who is yet to prove he can be a competent starter with a kid with at most maybe a couple of games of experience backing him up... that's not particularly ideal.
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You're biased on Gus because you've hated on him from the start. By the end of this year no matter what Gus does, you're probably going to say he isnt good enough to be a starter.
 
Gustavsson is a sophomore, and the sophomore slump seems to affect goalies more than any other position ... some never get out of it (Raycroft!)

Now, Gusto also had a poor first half (but also, 2 heart surgeries so that sure didn't help) but turned it on in the 2nd half.

When handed the #1 job, he was solid for 3 starts, then faded off. He looks like he still needs more time with Allaire.

With Reimer, Scrivens and Rynnas pushing him though, I am not sure he's got the #1 job locked down. I really don't mind to see a Gusto + 1 of those 3 in a 1A-1B combo next season ... or even this season.

The thing is, we gotta take AHL stats with a grain of salt. We can't assume Rynnas can come up and post .947 ... NHL shots are way faster and more accurate.
 
I agree #17. Bringing up Rynnas because of some short term success would be very stupid.

Let the kid stay in the AHL and work on his game. Let him rip it up in the AHL and next year when Giggy is gone he'll get his chance to make the team and take the next step.
 
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