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Sure, he may not score 7 SHGs... but you don't take those goals away. He still scored 29 and has at least 29 goal potential. Maybe next time he only scores 2 SHGs and 27 even strength and PPGs.

No, you don't take them away, you put them in context. He scored an insane amount of goals SH. You can't just assume those can be transferred over to another "area" of play. He won't repeat that, and hasn't shown 30 goal ability to this point without that production.
 
Well, again to be clear HP, you say that you're surprised that I've watched so many Penguins games but have not been impressed by him, but that's not the case. Like I said, he's a big terrific defensive player who can also chip in around 20 goals and 45-50 points for you. I don't personally think that's a player evaluation that's insulting or negative. I'd love to have a player like that on my team. He's been an important piece of a young Penguins team that's won a Stanley Cup and has been making deep playoff runs a habitual thing.

But to watch what Jordan Staal's done in his career so far, both in junior and the NHL, and deduce that not only can he do better than the point totals that he's been putting up so far, but he can double his regular goal output, and get up to 70 points? I think you're underestimating how hard that is to do in the NHL, and you're putting expectations on him that are unfair and in no way based on fact. But hey, I guess you've acknowledged this untapped potential at this point is just speculation on your part, so it's just a simple difference of opinion on that point then. But I think you're setting yourself up for an unnecessary disappointment, just like Leaf fans with Nik Antropov. He's another big center that was drafted high that (once he got healthy) developed into a terrific two-way player who was a beast on the PK and along the boards, and could still chip in 20-25 goals and 50+ points, and I was one of his biggest fans. But a lot of Leaf fans could never get over the fact that he didn't develop into a star #1 center for us, and couldn't just appreciate the solid contributor that he did become for us.
 
Staal is one of the least effective Pens on the PP.

Last year only Mark Eaton had a worse points/60 minutes on the PP rating. In 2008-09 only Eaton, Fedotenko, Kennedy and Boucher were less efficient than Staal.

Last year when Staal was on the ice on the PP, the Pens PP GF/60 was 3.98, while it was 6.88 with him off the ice.

Get real... what do you expect to happen. Crosby, Malkin and Kunitz/Poni/Guerin are on the PP for 1:35 and if they don't score the puck is finally cleared and on come Staal, Kennedy and Dupuis to grab the puck from their one skate it in and get the PP set up for about 7 seconds and try to score. Of course their numbers are going to be bad.

Anyways it doesn't matter. I overrate Staal and you guys underrate him. I doubt he gives a shit.
 
Well, again to be clear HP, you say that you're surprised that I've watched so many Penguins games but have not been impressed by him, but that's not the case. Like I said, he's a big terrific defensive player who can also chip in around 20 goals and 45-50 points for you. I don't personally think that's a player evaluation that's insulting or negative. I'd love to have a player like that on my team. He's been an important piece of a young Penguins team that's won a Stanley Cup and has been making deep playoff runs a habitual thing.

But to watch what Jordan Staal's done in his career so far, both in junior and the NHL, and deduce that not only can he do better than the point totals that he's been putting up so far, but he can double his regular goal output, and get up to 70 points? I think you're underestimating how hard that is to do in the NHL, and you're putting expectations on him that are unfair and in no way based on fact. But hey, I guess you've acknowledged this untapped potential at this point is just speculation on your part, so it's just a simple difference of opinion on that poin then. But I think you're setting yourself up for an unnecessary disappointment, just like Leaf fans with Nik Antropov. He's another big center that was drafted high that (once he got healthy) developed into a terrific two-way player who was a beast on the PK and along the boards, and could still chip in 20-25 goals and 50+ points, and I was one of his biggest fans. But a lot of Leaf fans could never get over the fact that he didn't develop into a star #1 center for us, and couldn't just appreciate the solid contributor that he did become for us.

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Looking forward to seeing what happens over the next year or 2.
 
Get real... what do you expect to happen. Crosby, Malkin and Kunitz/Poni/Guerin are on the PP for 1:35 and if they don't score the puck is finally cleared and on come Staal, Kennedy and Dupuis to grab the puck from their one skate it in and get the PP set up for about 7 seconds and try to score. Of course their numbers are going to be bad.

Its not just that his numbers are bad, its that they are worse than everyone else on the team. He just hasn't been effective on the PP to this point of his career. Not a good sign of front line offensive potential.
 
Talked to my contact with MLSE today and he says Burke is in love with Brayden Schenn. So either my guy is yanking MY chain, or LOF is gettin yanked by Burke. I swear Burke looked devastated when Schenn's name got called in the draft, so I THINK I am right. But who knows?

My contact says he is afraid that Burke would give up A LOT to get Schenn. A lot.
 
Definitely Burke would be willing to give up one of Kadri or Aulie AND Versteeg. And that is too much as far as I am concerned.
 
After a WJC is about the dumbest time to trade for a Canadian top prospect. It's the equivelant of trading for a 3rd liner from the defending cup champs. You're going to overpay massively because they just spent a half dozen or more games being endlessly fellated by the press.
 
Yeah there's no trading for Schenn now. His stock is through the roof. That said, he is an excellent player though. I'd love to have him on my team. I've been happy with how Leblanc looks though. With any luck he'll be a 25g 65p excellent 2 way player.
 
Leblanc is early to mid 1990s Joe Juneau redux. Irish and I have been saying it since he was Drafted. You're going to be very, very happy with him in Montreal, Habs fans. Highest hockey IQ on the entire team other than Ellis.
 
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