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Which player in the 2002 Draft would you guys say has had a better career to this point than Rick Nash?

Duncan Keith is the only player that there exists a reasonable argument for being better than Nash up to this point, and that only began to come to fruition in the past two and a half seasons.

Otherwise you're looking at such illustrious names names like Matthew Lombardi, Matt Stajan, Gregory Campbell, Joni Pitkanen, Ryan Whitney, Keith Ballard, Jiri Hudler, Jarret Stoll, Trevory Daley, Ian White, Jay Bouwmeester, Paul Ranger, James Wisniewski, and Alex Steen.
 
nash followed that season up by scoring 38 goals and 69 points.

kessel is on the heels of a cold streak and is on pace to be just a notch below that with 35 and 60
 
No one is saying Nash was a waste of a pick.

Just for Rick Nash. He has been a disapointment. Not for a #1 pick, not as a player in general, just in terms of what Rick Nash is and could be and is supposed to be he hasn't been that.

He's a very good player though. Would love to have him. But he hasn't been a $7.8 million, star franchise player.
 
Being a gold medal-winning Olympian, World Cup title-winning, World Championship-winning (+ MVP), dominant force for the best hockey nation in the world at the highest level in addition to additional NHL hardware and being the best player in their draft class is disappointing now? Thanks guys. You learn something new every day. Un-****ing-believeable.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Which player in the 2002 Draft would you guys say has had a better career to this point than Rick Nash?

Duncan Keith is the only player that there exists a reasonable argument for being better than Nash up to this point, and that only began to come to fruition in the past two and a half seasons.

Otherwise you're looking at such illustrious names names like Matthew Lombardi, Matt Stajan, Gregory Campbell, Joni Pitkanen, Ryan Whitney, Keith Ballard, Jiri Hudler, Jarret Stoll, Trevory Daley, Ian White, Jay Bouwmeester, Paul Ranger, James Wisniewski, and Alex Steen.
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You're conflating the issues here.

Nobody is saying that Nash was a bad pick in that draft, or that he's not a good hockey player, or that we wouldn't want him on the team.

Simply that he's not worth coveting due to excellent, but not superstar level production despite his superstar level salary as well as what would surely be a massive asking price in trade.
 
I don't see what you don't get. He's not disapointing as a draft pick. He's not a terrible hockey player.

He is disapointing for Rick Nash, and for what Columbus expects out of him, and for what he has the talent to be.
 
I'm not conflating anything. It was a shitty, shitty draft class. And he was the best or second-best player taken in it. That's not disappointing at all.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
You mean after the 41 goal Rocket Richard Trophy season and 54 points in 54 games (31 goals -- on pace for 47 goals) campaigns in the previous two seasons?
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he won the rocket ricahrd trophy with 41 goals.. kessel, two years ago, had 36 in 70.

and so he had a good 54 game stretch. kessel had 43 points in the first 44 games of 08-09.

meanwhile, nash has only touched a ppg once since then. after that first ppg (half) year he had (once again) a 57 point season.

good player, but he's overrated.

he's just like kessel.. in the second tier of goal scorers despite having a skillset that SHOULD put him amongst the elite.
 
Nash wasn't even a huge scorer in junior. People's expectations just got out of whack for a whole host of reasons relating to his size and dominance at the worlds. He's producing what he should be producing given his skillset.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Being a gold medal-winning Olympian, World Cup title-winning, World Championship-winning (+ MVP), dominant force for the best hockey nation in the world at the highest level in addition to additional NHL hardware and being the best player in their draft class is disappointing now? Thanks guys. You learn something new every day. Un-****ing-believeable.
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again, conflating arguments. Or the least, attributing the argument of one, to the rest of us.
 
You're punishing a guy for playing on a shitty team with absolutely no help around him and then act surprised when he somehow plays like an all-world, completely dominating force against superior competition when surrounded with talent.

How can you not figure out why that's unsurprising?
 
A $7.8mil cap hit for a player that only scores goals. Overrated and more importantly, overpriced.

Plus we already have a younger/cheaper version of him, better off looking for a playmaking C.
 
No, I'm "punishing" him for not playing like a legit franchise player in the NHL and completely disregarding that he's dominated in the World Championships, which is a second rate tournament full of non NHL level talent every year.

He's scored 6 points in 13 career games during best on best, Olympic formats.

Nice player, legit 1st liner, legit stud goal scorer.

Not a franchise player.


As an aside...he didn't seem too concerned about how shit his franchise is when he re signed with them long term.
 
tell me why again we are arguing about Nash... it isn't happening. and IF it did, we'd have to give up everything to get him. .... not happening.

What about Doan though??? a big winger to play with Kessel? rotting away in Arizona..... second in scoring, yet losing out to a defenseman (man is Yandle underated in this league or what) but they could shed that salary and get more depth from us.
 
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