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that's not really a problem. most good PPs are built around a killer pass-shoot combo on the point. we had one for years with kabby-mccabe. Suter-weber works great as well.

the interesting thing with Phaneuf is that in his good years, he never had a setup man like that. He was the PP QB back ther, period. I just noticed that.

but there's no doubt that Versteeg is working much better back there right now. and what I've noticed is that Kabby looks real good on the right side.
 
mccabe used to just stand there and wait for passes.

wilson loves his d-men creeping into the high slot. it never works.

KESSEL should be the one creeping into the middle of the ice. the defensemen should be holding the point where they can work the one-timer and knock down pucks to keep it in the zone.
 
Every single person in here thinks they have the answer to the Leafs PP. Do you guys honestly think you know better than a guy whos coached 1400 NHL games? I mean I know Wilson is an idiot and has somehow just survived as long as he has by an absolute fluke but come on, seriously? Phaneuf has ZERO PP goals since joining the team. Our leading goal scorers from the point are Schenn and Gunner with TWO GOALS! you can almost count the goals our defense has scored on one hand. Blame that on the system all you want but eventually the players have to be held accountable. Our defense is the problem, they simply cannot score. It's pathetic.
 
Corky27 said:
Every single person in here thinks they have the answer to the Leafs PP. Do you guys honestly think you know better than a guy whos coached 1400 NHL games? I mean I know Wilson is an idiot and has somehow just survived as long as he has by an absolute fluke but come on, seriously? Phaneuf has ZERO PP goals since joining the team. Our leading goal scorers from the point are Schenn and Gunner with TWO GOALS! you can almost count the goals our defense has scored on one hand. Blame that on the system all you want but eventually the players have to be held accountable. Our defense is the problem, they simply cannot score. It's pathetic.
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a fatal flaw with a lot of coaches is their strict adherence to their own system. just because something worked with joe thornton in san jose doesn't mean it will work with phil kessel in toronto.

the good coaches are always adaptable, and always find a way to make things work with the pieces given to them. so, if their best players do not fit their system they either rework the system entirely, or tweak it to accommodate those players based on their strengths and weaknesses.

this isn't just a hockey thing -- it applies to all sports.
 
zeke said:
our PP is doing well.

Phaneuf is not.
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you're letting your bias blind you from your usually sharp statistical analysis. it isn't that the big pp against the atlanta should be entirely discounted. still, at this point in the season it has raised the leafs pp by a full 2 percentage points, which is the difference between 13th (where the leafs are) and 20th (their 16.8% clip if you discount that one 4/5 5 minute pp). their pp since that game:

0/1
1/3
0/5
1/3

2/12

which is 16.6%. or, basically identical to their season average if you discount the one big anomaly.

you use numbers. you know that regression to the mean typically happens. you know an extreme outlier will have an impact on the average. and you know that based on the regression that number is almost certain to drop the farther we get from that anomaly.

the leafs pp hasn't been good. it has had one insanely good game. that one pp aside, the leafs pp has been (prior to that game and in the games since) been in then league's bottom third.
 
Its not just one game. The Leafs PP has been average most of the year. But that is thanks to Kabby who leads all dmen in PP assits, and is still one of the best PP Qb's in the league.
 
excluding the 4/5 pp against atlanta, leafs pp on the season: 16.8%

leafs pp in the 4 game since that game against atlanta: 16.6%
 
OCT: 10gms, 11.9% (24th)
NOV: 13gms, 18.5% (13th)
DEC: 13gms, 20.4% (14th)
JAN: 8gms, 25.9% (5th)

Basically they had one bad month on the PP - the first month of the year, when Dion was a fulltime fixture on the #1 PP unit. Then Dion got injured, Versteeg became the point man on the #1 unit, and they've been quite good ever since. Except the last couple of games, of course, since Versteeg was injured.
 
leafman101 said:
Its not just one game. The Leafs PP has been average most of the year. But that is thanks to Kabby who leads all dmen in PP assits, and is still one of the best PP Qb's in the league.
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one powerplay is currently the difference between 13th at 18.6% and 20th at 16.8%
 
Yeah, but 20th is right in the middle 3rd, and as zeke showed the PP has been better than just 20th for a while now.

Its not a great PP by any means. But its been fine. Just about the only good part of the team.
 
Kaberle doesn't have to submit a list, but he chose to list a few teams he'd consider last year.

(I believe it was last year, or the year before)
 
If that article has any truth to it, it would seem Kabs wants stability, but that stability could also increase the return on him.

Teams would presumably spend more if they knew they'd have him for more than just the playoff run.



This has been discussed ad nauseum, it really does make me nauseous.
 
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