IrishWolfman
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Sorry, but I can't understand the prevailing opinion that we're going to get the best young players of other teams while giving up peanuts. You always have to give up talent to get talent when doing trades.
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Sorry, but I can't understand the prevailing opinion that we're going to get the best young players of other teams while giving up peanuts. You always have to give up talent to get talent when doing trades.
mbow30
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beauchemin isn't exactly peanuts, although i do agree that you're unlikely to get a 22 or 24 year old with 25-ish 50-ish point seasons under their belt for him.
though from strictly a value based perspective i think that beauchemin for neal is a pretty fair trade. neal is overrated. he's teh sort of guy who i think is very unlikely to see drastic increases in his scoring totals. 25ish goals 50ish points sounds about right for him.
not, benn, though.
Metalleaf
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And this was necessary because? I'm not a ****ing idiot. I'd appreciate not being treated like one.
leafman101
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Yeah Neal is overrated, and definitely benefitting from Richards. I wouldn't trade Kaberle for Neal. They have also been trying pretty hard to dump Ribeiro the last year or so with no takers. It wouldn't shock me to see them sweeten the pot with a guy like Neal. Like msun said, not Benn though.
Moving Ribeiro would enable them to keep Richards though. So I'd think they wouldn't be nearly as against a deal like that as you might think.
Moving Ribeiro would enable them to keep Richards though. So I'd think they wouldn't be nearly as against a deal like that as you might think.
IrishWolfman
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My reaction really wasn't personal. It was actually far more general. I've noticed, rather frequently on this board when word leaks out that the Leafs are interested in 'x' young player, large segments of the board pile on stating that 'x' young player really isn't worth anything close to what the rest of the League values them as being worth. In the past, this has happened with players ranging from Rick Nash to James Neal, Brad Richards and I could really go on from there.
Large segments of this board are also guilty of a rather rank hypocrisy. Pointing out the flaws in a Rick Nash, James Neal, Brad Richards but castigating those who dare do the same to Tomas Kaberle. That I find irritating as well.
It's also a reaction to having spent the last month enduring much the same in watching the OHL trade deadline. Where the same thing kind of happened.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Because some players get over rated, especially those who aren't seen by the Canadian hockey media all that often. Just like others (Kaberle, Price before this year, Iginla, etc, etc, etc) get unfairly shit on regularly because their every flaw and slump is going to generate ratings, and sell papers.
Metalleaf
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I wasn't even all that serious, just used the names I've heard and really its not all far fetched the way Burke works sometimes.
leafman101
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And you really can't forget that Ribeiro has no value right now. This is a guy who is the opposite of Neal. Very underrated. But with the way he is viewed as a player, and 3 years left on his deal at $5 million, no one wants him. And Dallas probably needs to dump that contract to be able to keep Richards which is whats most important.
I don't think they could get a guy like Beauch for him straight up at this point. Maybe if they took on a bad deal like Komi they could dump him, but that defeats the purpose of moving him.
They'd miss Ribeiro though. Their offense isn't anywhere near as deep without him.
I don't think they could get a guy like Beauch for him straight up at this point. Maybe if they took on a bad deal like Komi they could dump him, but that defeats the purpose of moving him.
They'd miss Ribeiro though. Their offense isn't anywhere near as deep without him.
mbow30
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no offense, dude, but you're acting like a whiny little bitch.
Volcanologist
Well-known member
Burke might have his eye on Brenden Morrow. He's an older guy and makes 4.1 million through next season I think. I could see that making some sense for Dallas so they can keep young guys like Benn and a core asset like Richards.
IrishWolfman
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My apologies, in the future I'll refrain from pointing out my frustration with behaviour I find irritating.
axlsalinger
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I'd do that deal right now.
Also intrigued by the Kabs + for Benn idea. Maybe the + could be taking Ribeiro's contract off their hands, with a young piece heading their way to even it up a bit. Not sure about their exact needs, but something like ...
Kaberle / Gunnarsson or Bozak for Benn / Ribeiro?
Also intrigued by the Kabs + for Benn idea. Maybe the + could be taking Ribeiro's contract off their hands, with a young piece heading their way to even it up a bit. Not sure about their exact needs, but something like ...
Kaberle / Gunnarsson or Bozak for Benn / Ribeiro?
Pronger84
Active member
Dallas is looking to go for the gold this year, so don't expect them to delete any of their core, they'll get rid of spare parts for draft picks. The only player they'd be interested in are Kaberle (they badly need a pmd), and possibly Gustavsson as a backup.
Kaberle and Gustavsson for Morrow and a 1st, seems like a fair deal for both sides.
Kaberle and Gustavsson for Morrow and a 1st, seems like a fair deal for both sides.
MyNameIsJonas
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no way Dallas deals they're captain....Morrow goes nowhere.
Ribiero is interesting, but he strikes me as a guy that would flame out fast in Toronto and be a whipping boy in 6 months
Ribiero is interesting, but he strikes me as a guy that would flame out fast in Toronto and be a whipping boy in 6 months
You could see that??? Wow... that would be possibly the greatest trade in history for the Leafs.
If you're talking to me you're mistaken. No sarcasm at all.
There is no way that you get Neal for guys like Gunnerson and Beauchemin.
Beauch is a solid top 4 dman, but you aren't getting Neal for him. Gunnerson is a run of the mill average NHL dman... every team has multiple players like him.
I see some of you are claiming that Neal is overrated, and he may be. However, due to him being overrated the Stars could get a much better deal than Beauch and Gunner.