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leafman101 said:
No. But he could just go to arby, which will probably give him $3.5+, and then bounce after a year.

Either way, Burke has said he'd move him if he isn't going to sign him.
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Arbitration doesn't just look at the previous season when it provides an award.

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:
# The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
# Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
# The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
# The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
# The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
# The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.
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They're not going to award MacArthur the type of money comparable offensive players get in Unrestricted free agency. If MacA really wants to go that route after finishing the season with say, 65 points for arguments sake, he'd likely get a 1 yr 2.7-2.9 million dollar arbitration award.

Again, if his public comments are to be believed, he wants longer term security and is tired of not knowing where he's going to be playing.
 
The list of 50+ players making $3.5+ is endless. The best comparable is Sharp, and his deal.

Wheeler got $2.2 million last year. Zherdev gor $3.5 after a couple of 50+ point years.

If MacArthur scores 65+ points, hes not getting less than $3 mill in arbitration.

You might be right, he could agree to accept less to stay here. I never said otherwise. All I said was it is up to him. If he has a big year, he could get big money if he wants it.
 
I think, if we don't think we're getting a "big ticket" free agent this year, we should sign Macarthur to as short a term as possible. This is a player I'd be VERY wary of being a contract year star. He took more than a few shifts off in Buffalo, and if we give him a big contract I'd be surprised if we didn't see that creep back into his game.
 
johnunit said:
I think, if we don't think we're getting a "big ticket" free agent this year, we should sign Macarthur to as short a term as possible. This is a player I'd be VERY wary of being a contract year star. He took more than a few shifts off in Buffalo, and if we give him a big contract I'd be surprised if we didn't see that creep back into his game.
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Interesting point you make, and I agree Mccarhtur is playing his heart out this year, he knows he's on a one year leash, he's playing up his value, and good on him, but yea I do worry that he'll go the lazy/complacent route when/if hes given a long term deal. Like I said his value is at his peak NOW, and montreal is making a very generous offer, if I were Burke I'd probably do the deal.
 
leafman101 said:
The list of 50+ players making $3.5+ is endless.
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I should have posted what's not able to be included in arby...comparable players who signed as UFA's

If those 50 pt 3.5 million dollar players were all UFA's, they can't be used as comparables.

The best comparable is Sharp, and his deal
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Not really. Sharp was giving up numerous years of free agency(3), coming off of a 36 goal season. You simply wouldn't see an arbitration award that large. Not because of one good season.

Wheeler got $2.2 million last year. Zherdev gor $3.5 after a couple of 50+ point years.
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Zherdev got 3.9 awarded, but that was on the strength of his total track record. He was coming off of back to back ~60 pt seasons, and had another strong season on his resume before that award. Zherdev had 5 full NHL seasons under his belt before that arby case (3 for MacA)

If MacArthur scores 65+ points, hes not getting less than $3 mill in arbitration.
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They look at his total track record, not just one season.

You might be right, he could agree to accept less to stay here. I never said otherwise. All I said was it is up to him. If he has a big year, he could get big money if he wants it.
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He might crack 3 million in arbitration, but I don't see the longevity and track record to suggest it.
 
nah, mac's a good kid, and he's been way too consistent to worry too much a bout. we better sign him soon.
 
Watching how hard MacArthur works game in and game out, and how he talks in post game interviews, I have a hard time imagining how inconsistent he was previous to this year ... but he was indeed very inconsistent.

I don't think it's a contract year thing. I think it's a bit of luck, when everything goes well for him this year. But I think it's also the fact he has the same linemates all year long, and he's been given a top 6 role from the get-go.
 
number17 said:
Watching how hard MacArthur works game in and game out, and how he talks in post game interviews, I have a hard time imagining how inconsistent he was previous to this year ... but he was indeed very inconsistent.

I don't think it's a contract year thing. I think it's a bit of luck, when everything goes well for him this year. But I think it's also the fact he has the same linemates all year long, and he's been given a top 6 role from the get-go.
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Im gonna be blunt about Mccarthur, the main reason for his dream year is because of his linemates: he's riding of their coat-tails so to speak, Kulemin is doing all the board work, and Grabo is making things happen with his hustle/speed/vision, basically Mccarthur just finishes or sets up what they start. Hes a good player on his own, but he's only "great" this year because of his linemates I think.
 
zeke said:
Kuly's the only one riding coattails on that line.
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How is Kulemin riding their coat-tails? The guy is strong along the boards, he goes to the net, and he has a strong shot. Hardly riding any coat-tails, but if you think that, thats cool.
 
MindzEye said:
I should have posted what's not able to be included in arby...comparable players who signed as UFA's

If those 50 pt 3.5 million dollar players were all UFA's, they can't be used as comparables.

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Not really. Sharp was giving up numerous years of free agency(3), coming off of a 36 goal season. You simply wouldn't see an arbitration award that large. Not because of one good season.



Zherdev got 3.9 awarded, but that was on the strength of his total track record. He was coming off of back to back ~60 pt seasons, and had another strong season on his resume before that award. Zherdev had 5 full NHL seasons under his belt before that arby case (3 for MacA)



They look at his total track record, not just one season.



He might crack 3 million in arbitration, but I don't see the longevity and track record to suggest it.
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I realize they look at trade record, but they aren't going to give a guy who just put up a 70 point year the same that they would give to guys who put up 40 point years ($2-.$2.6). And there are tons of guys like Sharp and Stajan who only had one or two good years and then signed $3+ million deals as RFAs to use as comparables. Hell, Kuli would be used as a comparable. He signed for $2.25 after just a 35 point year.

I'd say there is absolutely no way he gets less than $3 in Arby. If he was a consistent 70 point guy, and it wasn't just one year he'd get a lot more than $3 million. He would get closer to $5 mill.
 
it's like Mac taught Grabo how to skate with his head up, and how to skate to open ice to take a pass.
 
Nah. MacArthur slows things down out there. He's really patient, and that has a huge effect on Grabo's game. On top of that he's done a phenomenal job at finding Grabo, and allowing Grabo to just find the seems instead of trying to create everything by himself.

MacArthur has had a HUGE impact on Grabo's game. Huge.
 
zeke said:
it's like Mac taught Grabo how to skate with his head up, and how to skate to open ice to take a pass.
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Have you ever stopped to consider that Grabo has learned on his own to keep his head up and to recieve a pass in open ice. Grabo is a VERY smart player, if theres areas in his game that need work, he takes the time to recoginze what they are, and then go out there and fix them. Last year his issue was he didnt have a shot and couldnt win a faceoff, so what did he do? He worked on his shot, and faceoffs. He now has a surprisingly good shot, and is much improved in the f/o area.
 
I agree, Grabo suddenly looks like a very smart player this year.

After looking like the dumbest player I've ever seen his first two years.

Can't help but think Mac has plenty to do with that. I've noticed how smart Mac is from his first preseason game. Very heady player.

I think Kessel liked playing that shift with him last game too.
 
johnunit said:
He was woefully inconsistent until this year.
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It's looking a lot like opportunity more than anything was to blame for that. He never really got the chance to get any higher than the third line in Buffalo, and whenever he'd struggle, he'd find himself back in the AHL, in the press box or with his ice-time cut. This year in Toronto is really the first time he's been given a chance to be a top-6 forward, and been allowed to run with that chance through all the ups and downs of an NHL season. And of course, age could be a factor as well. He's only 25 years old, and this is only his third full NHL season.

As for re-signing him, that should really be a no-brainer. He's not leeching of anyone for his success, anyone who's watched Kulemin/MacArthur/Grabbo play this year should be able to see that he's as much of a reason for that line's success as anyone. I'd actually have him in a tie with Grabovski for having been the team's best foward, with Kulemin coming in third place. I think the solution for what he should get is a no-brainer too. He could probably get $3M+ on a one-year deal, but he likes it in Toronto, seems to want some long-term security, and after last summer probably doesn't want to have to go through the arbitration process again. So, I can see him signing pretty much the same deal Grabovski got: $2.6-2.9M per season for three years.
 
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