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I guarantee that any team that thinks they have any shot at the Cup this year would love to get Beauch... but it's unlikely they'll give up a guy like Benn or Neal for him. I'm thinking a mid level prospect and like a 3rd round pick... maybe even a 2nd. Or a 1st and a project prospect.
 
zeke said:
yes, receiving more ice time than most any other player in the league, for every coach he's played for, even on a cup winner, always against the other team's best players, is just a silly 'stat'.

you go, girl.
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Let's not relive this obnoxious debate.

You can get played lots of minutes and not do much with them. We've seen that for two years. We also know that Francois wasn't THE key ingredient to a Cup team that had half a dozen superstars on it.

He is an average player with an above average resume. On the strength of that resume, we might get something decent for him. But the team that gets him from us will realize the error of their ways as soon as he makes his first centering pass to the other team's best forward in a 0-0 game in the third.
 
Habspatrol said:
I guarantee that any team that thinks they have any shot at the Cup this year would love to get Beauch... but it's unlikely they'll give up a guy like Benn or Neal for him. I'm thinking a mid level prospect and like a 3rd round pick... maybe even a 2nd. Or a 1st and a project prospect.
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I'd take that last offer for sure. But I'd like Benn more, obviously.
 
yeah, coaches playing you more than any other player against the other teams' best players all the time is just a silly "stat" that doesn't mean anything.

you go, girl.
 
zeke said:
yeah, coaches playing you more than any other player against the other teams' best players all the time is just a silly "stat" that doesn't mean anything.

you go, girl.
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Hey vag, you can stop implying I said "silly" when I never said that.

My position on the stat is that it's misleading. Beauch has the minutes, but he doesn't have the offense, nor is he any kind of a shutdown guy, much as you wish he was. Forwards more than have their way with him on a regular basis, and oftentimes it's Beauch himself with those horrible turnovers that facilitates the process. This is no Zdeno Chara we're talking about. Once he has a different jersey, you'll come around.

Well, then again, it was just last week that you were pining for Jason Blake again and lamenting the Giggy trade, so maybe not.
 
there couldn't be a less misleading "stat" in the world than the ice time a player receives for a cup winner.
 
zeke said:
there couldn't be a less misleading "stat" in the world than the ice time a player receives for a cup winner.
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Beauchimen played a role in the 07 win, but I wouldn't say it was a big one. Pronger, Niederymeyer, Giggy, Getzlaf, Selanne, and Phalsson all played much bigger roles. I'll give Beauch this he had an above average playoff, but he was piss poor before that, and he's fallen back down to earth after the cinderalla run. At best hes merely an average player.
 
I can't believe after 6 years people make the same stupid mistakes judging defensemen. Of course a dman looks bad when every single mistake he makes ends up in the back of the net because the goalie sucks balls. You think Chara and Lidstrom don't make mistakes? Of course they do. They just don't all end up in their net.

If a dman plays big minutes against the best offensive players in a league on a nightly basis, those players are going to get scoring chances. They are the best offensive players in the league. Beauch limits them as well as almost anyone.

His play hasn't changed in any way, and anyone who thinks it has never watched him play in Anaheim.

The one major difference is his goalies in Anaheim could make saves.

There is no such thing as a shut down dman that never turns over the puck, and never gives the other teams best players a chance to score. That player doesn't exist.
 
leafman101 said:
I can't believe after 6 years people make the same stupid mistakes judging defensemen. Of course a dman looks bad when every single mistake he makes ends up in the back of the net because the goalie sucks balls. You think Chara and Lidstrom don't make mistakes? Of course they do. They just don't all end up in their net.

Your right, all defencmen make mistakes, however Lidstrom/Chara don't make the insane amount of them like Beauchimen does. Beauchimen makes about 3-4 big time ****s up a GAME, thats too many for a guy who is supposed to be this "great" defencmen. In the future, please don't use Beauchimen in the same sentence as Lidstrom/Chara, it's an insult to those two very elite defencmen.

If a dman plays big minutes against the best offensive players in a league on a nightly basis, those players are going to get scoring chances. They are the best offensive players in the league. Beauch limits them as well as almost anyone.

LOL keep telling yourself that.....

His play hasn't changed in any way, and anyone who thinks it has never watched him play in Anaheim.
Agreed, his play hasnt changed at all, it's still as embarassingly pathetic now as it was when he was on Anahiem. Wanna know the difference? He could hide his stench behind guys like Pronger/Niederymeyer.

The one major difference is his goalies in Anaheim could make saves.[/QUOTE
Wrong.
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leafman101 said:
I can't believe after 6 years people make the same stupid mistakes judging defensemen. Of course a dman looks bad when every single mistake he makes ends up in the back of the net because the goalie sucks balls. You think Chara and Lidstrom don't make mistakes? Of course they do. They just don't all end up in their net.

If a dman plays big minutes against the best offensive players in a league on a nightly basis, those players are going to get scoring chances. They are the best offensive players in the league. Beauch limits them as well as almost anyone.

His play hasn't changed in any way, and anyone who thinks it has never watched him play in Anaheim.

The one major difference is his goalies in Anaheim could make saves.

There is no such thing as a shut down dman that never turns over the puck, and never gives the other teams best players a chance to score. That player doesn't exist.
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That's all fine and dandy if every one of our six guys were so prone to giving up the puck or just flat out went braindead at critical moments of games.

But they aren't and they don't. At least not with his regularity.

"As well as almost anyone" - sorry, but that one was comical.
 
Right its just Beauch. Not Komi, or Schenn or Kaberle, or Gunnar or Lebda or Phaneuf. Those guys aren't regularly making mistakes that end up in the back of the net.

Whatever you say.
 
number17 said:
the optics of trading away draft picks may be bad, and you know the Toronto media will be all over Burke when he does that, but in general picks are over-rated. Especially when we know 11 is such a weak draft.

If the '11 1st round pick we give up end up being a 10th overall or later pick, then in all likelihood the Kessel trade will turn out to be just a Kessel for Seguin trade.
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It's already going that way with Boston foolishly deciding to draft Jared Knight a round or two before he should have gone while leaving legitimate potential IMPACT prospectsl ike Tyler Toffoli and Alex Petrovic on the draft table.

The Leafs caught a big break when the Bruins opted to do that and opted to pass on the best available talent remaining.
 
I didn't compare him to Lidstrom, you just don't understand things.

I'll spell it out though. Even the second best defensemen ever makes lots of mistakes on the ice.
 
leafman101 said:
Defensemen can't hide playing 30 minutes a game on a cup run.
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Let's just say he was the MVP of those playoffs, okay? Let's just give him that well-deserved distinction.

What does that have to do with today, years later? He is not a top pairing guy on a top team. Hasn't been anywhere near that level of play since he's been here. He has the minutes, but his play hasn't justified them. Yes, there is an assumed correlation between minutes played and minutes deserved, but it just isn't the case with Beauchy.
 
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