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leafman101 said:
Right its just Beauch. Not Komi, or Schenn or Kaberle, or Gunnar or Lebda or Phaneuf. Those guys aren't regularly making mistakes that end up in the back of the net.

Whatever you say.
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These guys make mistakes, but none as big as Beauchimen does, actually wait... I take that back, Lebda is even worse then Beauchimen.
 
No they do. The only difference is they don't play as much as Beauch, and they don't play against the calibre of players Beauch does.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Let's just say he was the MVP of those playoffs, okay? Let's just give him that well-deserved distinction.

What does that have to do with today, years later? He is not a top pairing guy on a top team. Hasn't been anywhere near that level of play since he's been here. He has the minutes, but his play hasn't justified them. Yes, there is an assumed correlation between minutes played and minutes deserved, but it just isn't the case with Beauchy.
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So true. But these guys are desperate to find any way to defend this clown, and the only card they can play is "oh he was amazing during the 07 cup run". Other then that they got zip.
 
Pronger84 said:
I Agreed, his play hasnt changed at all, it's still as embarassingly pathetic now as it was when he was on Anahiem. Wanna know the difference? He could hide his stench behind guys like Pronger/Niederymeyer.
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Beauchemin was logging more minutes than Pronger and Niedermayer in the post-season that year.
 
For every gaff Beauch makes, he has a solid defensive play to follow it up. With the puck he's a little suspect sometimes. One on one he usually makes the right decision.
 
leafman101 said:
Right its just Beauch. Not Komi, or Schenn or Kaberle, or Gunnar or Lebda or Phaneuf. Those guys aren't regularly making mistakes that end up in the back of the net.

Whatever you say.
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You need to break out Lebda to prove up Beauch?

Sure, the other guys will make mistakes. 20 year old Schenn with a bad one against the Caps the other night, Gunnar with a few here and there, Kabby and Phaneuf are occasionally guilty. But none of them will make the ones where your jaw just drops and you have to question whether they are actually conscious while on the ice.

Beauch makes me question whether he is awake regularly. And he is not a rookie level player (Schenn, Gunnar), nor is he an offensive guy (Kaberle, Ghost of Phaneuf). He doesn't have the excuses of a kid, nor the numbers/potential of a vet.

And that's why he's gonna be out the door soon and not retained as the savior of our defense corps.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Beauchemin was logging more minutes than Pronger and Niedermayer in the post-season that year.
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Not to be pedantic or anything, but the TOI really isn't a great argument when it was a a mere 20 seconds. Though I agree that without Beauch the Ducks would have been screwed in 2007.
 
leafman101 said:
Oh no you didn't.
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Most consistent run of excellence and longevity by any player in history not named Howe. 19 total year-end all-star team selections over 22 seasons, spanning from his first First All-Star Team selection at age 19 to his final First All-Star Team selection at age 41.

Unparalleled.
 
leafman101 said:
No they do. The only difference is they don't play as much as Beauch, and they don't play against the calibre of players Beauch does.
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Ok answer me this, how many times have guys like Schenn/Phaneuf/Komi literally cost us a game on their own? I can list at least 4 games that Beauchimen has cost us due to his stupidity on the ice

Game 1: Leafs Vs Sabres- 16 seconds to go Beauchimen leaves his man unconvered in front, and Hecht scores the game winner
Game 2: Caps Vs Leafs- Beauchimen screens his goalie with a few seconds left, game winner goes in
Game 3: Bruins Vs Leafs- 1-1 in the game, Beauchimen screens his goalie (again), the shot deflects in off his arm and thats the game
Game 4: Jackets Vs Leafs- 2 out of the 3 jackets goals were scored as a result of Beauch passing it right to them
 
Pronger84 said:
leafman101 said:
I can't believe after 6 years people make the same stupid mistakes judging defensemen. Of course a dman looks bad when every single mistake he makes ends up in the back of the net because the goalie sucks balls. You think Chara and Lidstrom don't make mistakes? Of course they do. They just don't all end up in their net.

Your right, all defencmen make mistakes, however Lidstrom/Chara don't make the insane amount of them like Beauchimen does. Beauchimen makes about 3-4 big time ****s up a GAME, thats too many for a guy who is supposed to be this "great" defencmen. In the future, please don't use Beauchimen in the same sentence as Lidstrom/Chara, it's an insult to those two very elite defencmen.


If a dman plays big minutes against the best offensive players in a league on a nightly basis, those players are going to get scoring chances. They are the best offensive players in the league. Beauch limits them as well as almost anyone.

LOL keep telling yourself that.....

His play hasn't changed in any way, and anyone who thinks it has never watched him play in Anaheim.
Agreed, his play hasnt changed at all, it's still as embarassingly pathetic now as it was when he was on Anahiem. Wanna know the difference? He could hide his stench behind guys like Pronger/Niederymeyer.

The one major difference is his goalies in Anaheim could make saves.[/QUOTE
Wrong.
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It is an insult to mention charas name with lidstrom, One is a superstar and one is a very large troll that has the ability to open up his arms and touch both sides of the rink. ...
And as for the hiding his mistakes behind the goalies in anahiem ... do you mean the same way that thomas is hiding bostons defensive mistakes? Or Price is doing in Montreal? Or how about last season in buffalo with Miller making like piece of plywood.
Secondly, do you live in the anahiem area? I could understand the comment about having not watched very many of the ducks games.
Lastly, if you cant respect the work of beauchimen (kaberle and Schenn ... all the way to bobby Orr, fired up bombs, usually once a night), then at least respect the opinions of the pro scouts and the managers and coaches that rave about this guy.
Does he make mistakes ... yup. But when he was babysitting Schenn and having to patrol with komi then that is a bit of a disadvantage to have last season.
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Metalleaf said:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but the TOI really isn't a great argument when it was a a mere 20 seconds. Though I agree that without Beauch the Ducks would have been screwed in 2007.
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My point was not even to illustrate that Beauchemin was "more" important to Anaheim's run than his two Hall of Fame compatriots on the same team. Rather, it was to illustrate that he certainly wasn't "hiding" behind anyone. That's kind of difficult when you're seeing the ice more than them no matter how minimal the difference is, no?
 
Metalleaf said:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but the TOI really isn't a great argument when it was a a mere 20 seconds. Though I agree that without Beauch the Ducks would have been screwed in 2007.
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Sorry but gotta disagree with you on this: The ducks would have been just fine without him. They had guys like Selanne, Mcdonald, Perry, Pronger, Niederymeyer, Giguere, Phalsson playing at full blast, the ducks would have likely won the cup without beauchimen in the lineup.
 
Metalleaf said:
For every gaff Beauch makes, he has a solid defensive play to follow it up. With the puck he's a little suspect sometimes. One on one he usually makes the right decision.
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This is actually not a bad point.

I have to admit, the majority of his brainless gaffes occur when the puck is on his stick. Trying to skate it out, trying to pass it, trying to clear it. He's HORRIBLE at that.

But without the puck, he is above average. Usually. There are still lots of times his man is left all alone in front of the net, but still, usually.

Problem is, the issues he has with the puck are unforgivable, and can't be present on a team that wants to compete every night. A guy like him can't be playing 25 minutes a night for you if you want to go far, today, in 2011.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Most consistent run of excellence and longevity by any player in history not named Howe. 19 total year-end all-star team selections over 22 seasons, spanning from his first First All-Star Team selection at age 19 to his final First All-Star Team selection at age 41.

Unparalleled.
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I know you're gay for Bourque, but Lidstrom is way better. In the last 12 seasons he has 11 year end all star team selections, 6 norris trophies, 4 cups and a conn smyth. Plus he has put up insane stats for a dman in his era. He just didn't start getting the cred he deserved until later on, unlike Bourque.
 
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