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Metalleaf said:
anyone know where I can find a list of all-time scoring for defensemen?
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1. Ray Bourque - 1579 points (11th all-time)
2. Paul Coffey - 1531 points (12th all-time)
3. Al MacInnis - 1274 points (34th all-time)
4. Phil Housley - 1232 points (37th all-time)
5. Larry Murphy - 1216 points (T-40th all-time with JR)
6. Nicklas Lidstrom - 1088 points (56th all-time)
7. Denis Potvin - 1052 points (62nd all-time)
8. Brian Leetch - 1028 points (67th all-time)
9. Larry Robinson - 958 points (85th all-time)
10. Chris Chelios - 948 points (87th all-time)
11. Bobby Orr - 915 points (90th all-time)
 
Depends on the season that you're adjusting it for. You would need a direct comparable (ie. Robinson's 1985-86 season to Lidstrom's 2001-02 season) in order to make a standardized adjustment.

Or you could simply adjust for a given year like 1995-96 for all of the players.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Depends on the season that you're adjusting it for. You would need a direct comparable (ie. Robinson's 1985-86 season to Lidstrom's 2001-02 season) in order to make a standardized adjustment.

Or you could simply adjust for a given year like 1995-96 for all of the players.
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Just adjusting for any one season. I never realized how much ahead in points Bourque was over Lidstrom (and every other defenseman not named Coffey). Just wanted to get an idea of how much of that is the player, and how much is the era.
 
People forget, Bourque put up 65 points as a ninteen year-old rookie in a high-scoring era and then put up 60 points in his final year as a 41 year-old in the heart of the dead-puck era. He was as elite as they came offensively-speaking in addition to shutdown defence and toughness.

Just look at his seasons offensively.

96
95
94
91
86
84
82
82
81
81
77
73
66
65
61
59
57
56
52
50
48
43 (in 46 games during the lock-out)
 
Pronger84 said:
Yup, I'd say he's arguably one of the best defencemen. The thing I like about Lidstrom is he plays defence the way its supposed to be played: By using speed, postioning and smarts. None of this knocking guys on they're ass bs. Lidstrom FTW
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Funny, as great as Lidstrom is and as great as he managed to compensate for his lack of strength/power/meanness I'd say that's the one knock I do have on him. The ideal dman strikes fear into players coming into the offensive zone.
 
Al MacInnis only ever took home a championship once in his career, three fewer Cups than Coffey in fact, but everyone knew that he was the better defenceman between the two of them in terms of all-around performance.
 
leafman101 said:
Meh. The ideal dmen leads his team to multiple cups.
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Well then there are dozens of ideal dmen who all played different styles.

I'm strictly talking about what my ideal dman would be. It'd be a lot more like Chris Pronger circa 2000 than Lidstrom. That doesn't mean that Lidstrom isn't amazing, even one of the best dmen of all time, just not what I'd consider the prototypical ideal dman.
 
Habspatrol said:
Well then there are dozens of ideal dmen who all played different styles.

I'm strictly talking about what my ideal dman would be. It'd be a lot more like Chris Pronger circa 2000 than Lidstrom. That doesn't mean that Lidstrom isn't amazing, even one of the best dmen of all time, just not what I'd consider the prototypical ideal dman.
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I'm just saying.
 
All those guys are amazing. Its just endless debate. I like them all. Personal favourites? Orr and Robinson. But ALL great.
 
teeds said:
All those guys are amazing. Its just endless debate. I like them all. Personal favourites? Orr and Robinson. But ALL great.
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I'd probably include Robinson as my idea of the ideal Dman. Obviously if he scored more he'd have been even better.

I'm thinking some cross between Robinson, Pronger and Stevens with Bobby Orr's offensive talent.
 
So Eddie Shore?

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Trade Wilson for Ed the talking horse or was it mule. I mean, we have some great pieces on our team. But they are playing like total idiots. Of course, having the worst goaltender for the moment, ALWAYS playing that night helps make them look a lot worse.
 
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