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JaysCyYoung said:
It's amazing how good the goaltending was that the Leafs received from 1999-2004. It really is. Joseph finished in the top three in Vezina voting in 1999 (second) and 2000 (third), while Belfour finished in the top three in 2003 and 2004. Four top three finishes in six years.

Now we would kill for a season of combined league-average performance in goal.
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Joseph didn't deserve those vezina nods.

He was a top-10 goalie sure, not a vezina contender.
 
Because he played for the best offensive team in the league by a country mile (20 goals better than 2nd)?
 
No, and I've always defended that team's awesome offensive ability to the nines when confronted with casual fans who insist how badly the Leafs defence supposedly played that year, but Joseph was a huge component of the team's success in his first two seasons in Toronto.
 
zeke said:
Because he played for the best offensive team in the league by a country mile (20 goals better than 2nd)?
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meh. a goalie can have an enormous impact on how the rest of the team plays. it doesn't even matter how well that goalie actually plays, sometimes. just look at the difference between when gustavsson plays and when giguere is in net.

it's a confidence thing. when a team loses confidence in the goaltender they simply do not play good hockey. the leafs had lost confidence in potvin. joseph came into town after those awesome first rounds with edmonton, and i think he really helped the rest of the team loosen up.

quinn didn't hurt, either.
 
The Leafs had a better record that year with their backups in net.

They were the best offensive team in hockey, and Cujo's numbers were mediocre at best.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
That's one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here. Honestly.
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I heard an argument once where a guy argued that a goalie with mediocre numbers behind the highest scoring team in the league deserved the Hart trophy, even though his team didn't miss a beat when his backups played.
 
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No, HP, you have to use either Scarlett or MJ.

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And zeke, you're a total tool for thinking that the Leafs would have put up 103 points with Jeff Reese and Glenn Healy in net.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
No, HP, you have to use either Scarlett or MJ.

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And zeke, you're a total tool for thinking that the Leafs would have put up 103 points with Jeff Reese and Glenn Healy in net.
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I did you MJ... Magic Johnson. Obviously the Scarlett is the way to go but I felt like being a bit different.
 
Metalleaf said:
Cujo >> Any goaltender we've had for the past 6 years(including old Cujo).
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Ehhh I dunno about that, Belfour was every bit as equal as Cujo was

Belfour: 170gp-93-63-11-14 (.911%)
Cujo: 270gp-138-97-27-1 (.903%)

Keep in mind Cujo played 100 more games then Belfour did.

Had belfor played 270gp with the leafs he'd have: 148w-100L-22T/OTL

Belfour was every bit as good, if not slightly better then CUJO.
 
Belfour in his first two seasons here absolutely blows anything Joseph did out of the water. However, neither of those seasons were within the last six years, just his disastrous last post-lockout season in 05/06. So, Metalleaf is right. Joseph >> any goaltender we've had in the last 6 years.
 
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