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Just tank and build. If ANY franchise can do it, its Toronto. Heck, if they had treated Mats Sundin better, and Kaberle, they would have a cornocupia of draft picks just from those two. But something about MLSE, and MLSE minions, they come off looking vewy badly.
 
Except that's not what the poll says. 15 out of 300 players would least like to play for the Leafs. Doing the math, that means that scores more likely included Toronto among their top 5 most undesirable locations.

I mean, who would really want to play for a fanbase that insists on booing Bryan McCabe, a long-departed all-star defenceman who always played hard for the Leafs, every time he touches the puck? Or which brands Daniel Alfredsson, respected league-wide as a classy captain and ambassador for the game, as some sort of nouveau-Kasparaitis? (It would be funny if it wasn't so sad). The players know that Leaf fans are bush league. That's why they don't want to play for you.

Alfredsson is not respected league wide. I'd say it's pretty safe to say that he's probably the least respected captain in the league.
 
Siberia of the NHL eh? Must've made a left somewhere instead of a right on your way to the Edmonton board.

Toronto's on that list because we really suck and have for a while. And a big market is never that fun of a place to be when you're losing consistently. Some players would still welcome that challenge. Some players want that pressure - and those are the guys we need here. Not the 15 who answered Toronto in the poll.

Partially because they've been bad for quite a few years, then take in to account the pussies that would never want to play in a big hockey market cause they can't handle the pressure. Then there is the fact that teams like Montreal and Toronto are very polarizing. Many people grow up either loving or hating teams like the Habs and Leafs and that can carry over to adulthood for players.

15 out of 300 is somewhat significant I suppose, but it's by no means a staggering amount.
 
Then there is the fact that teams like Montreal and Toronto are very polarizing. Many people grow up either loving or hating teams like the Habs and Leafs and that can carry over to adulthood for players.

I agree with everything else you said but this part I legitimately think doesn't make much of a difference. It might be just one player but at dinner one night at my brother's place, Duchene told us that growing up liking the Habs in Haliburton, it got annoying with all the Leaf fans running around there - then a few minutes later, he named Toronto as a team he wanted to pick him in the draft (at this point, it was looking like it could happen). He said he thinks your allegiances go out the window when you're drafted and he feels like playing in the spotlight would only challenge him to be a better NHLer.

Players that think like this will want to go to places like Toronto or Montreal. And of course, there will always be a few who want no part of that. It happens. When a team in Toronto is competitive, it's a great place to play. The proof is that players who've been here to witness that refused to leave even when things went south - McCabe, Sundin, Kaberle, Tucker, etc.
 
Here is a hypothetical for you guys

To Toronto

Dave Bolland
Jeremy Morin
Jack Skille
2010 1st
Kyle Beach

To Chicago

Francois Beauchimen
Nazem Kadri
Colby Armstrong
Marcel Mueller
 
Yes, because I'm pretty gay for Morin. He could be a hell of a scorer at the NHL level with his release and offensive awareness. We need that natural scorer more than a guy with Kadri's skillset at this point in time. Bolland is an interesting "reclamation" project of sorts. He's been injury-prone and disappointing on the offensive end since he signed that big contract. I suppose the salaries with Beauchemin going the other way match up pretty well and he does have good second-line upside. I can see him making a lot of Leafs fans pause on giving the green light, however. The first will likely be in the mid-range (I'm assuming you meant a 2011 first), and Skille is an interesting name. I am not ready to call him quite a bust yet and think a change of scenery would do him good. Beach is a Burke prospect through and through. I cannot remember the last time that the Leafs had a prospect as thoroughly angry and gritty as him. He'd replace Armstrong's sandpaper almost immediately in my mind.
 
Why would we trade Kadri in a deal like that?

The Leafs need top line talent, not to trade one of their only guys with top line talent for more 2nd liners.
 
I don't know, I still think that rolling a Buffalo Sabres-type model with four second lines of superb all-around offensive depth can lead to a winning formula, especially with a bruising, reliable blueline corps. Their only problem was Miller having his MVP-esque, Vezina season three years too late for them. Otherwise they could have easily won a Stanley Cup in 2006 or 2007.
 
I agree with everything else you said but this part I legitimately think doesn't make much of a difference. It might be just one player but at dinner one night at my brother's place, Duchene told us that growing up liking the Habs in Haliburton, it got annoying with all the Leaf fans running around there - then a few minutes later, he named Toronto as a team he wanted to pick him in the draft (at this point, it was looking like it could happen). He said he thinks your allegiances go out the window when you're drafted and he feels like playing in the spotlight would only challenge him to be a better NHLer.

Players that think like this will want to go to places like Toronto or Montreal. And of course, there will always be a few who want no part of that. It happens. When a team in Toronto is competitive, it's a great place to play. The proof is that players who've been here to witness that refused to leave even when things went south - McCabe, Sundin, Kaberle, Tucker, etc.

No doubt... and that's why I said "that can carry over to adulthood for players." We are already talking about a pretty low percentage when we are talking about 5% of players that would least like to play in Toronto. So even if it was just 2 or 3 players who fall into the group that I was talking about, it would be a factor.

Crosby appears to fall into the same group as Duchene. When I met Sid over Christmas he was sure to tell me that he "used" to be a big Habs fan. For most of these guys I think all allegiances go out the window when they start playing in the NHL.
 
Why would we trade Kadri in a deal like that?

The Leafs need top line talent, not to trade one of their only guys with top line talent for more 2nd liners.
 
This gay crap about "top-end" talent is just that: crap. You can win with a bunch of good players and great goaltending as much as you can with with a few elite players + pluggers and less-than-great goaltending. There is no one formula to win.

Personally, I like balance.
 
The Sabres didn't have 4 second lines. The only time they've been a threat without Hasek is when they had a legit front line talent in Briere and Vanek.

A team like without front line talent hasn't won the cup pretty much ever.
 
Sign Richards as a UFA in the off-season and throw the bank at him then.

-Trade Giguere for a third or fourth round draft pick at the deadline.
-Trade Brown or Orr for a fourth or fifth round draft pick.
-Add in the Hawks deal
-Sign a guy like Fleischmann for the top-line (something like 4 years, $20 million.
-Re-sign Kaberle or sign a guy like McCabe or Jovanovski to replace him in the off-season (to 2 years/$8 million type contracts) if/when Burke allows him to walk.
-Sign Tomas Vokoun or Ilya Bryzgalov to a mid-term deal for big dollars and trade Gustavsson to make room for Reimer. Call-up Scrivens from the ECHL and allow him and Rynnas to split AHL duties equally.

Roll a similar set-up to this next season:

Tomas Fleischmann - Brad Richards - Phil Kessel
Clarke MacArthur - Mikhail Grabovski - Nikolai Kulemin
Jeremy Morin - Dave Bolland - Kris Versteeg
Luca Caputi - Jack Skille - Kyle Beach

Colton Orr/Fredrik Sjostrom

Tomas Kaberle/Ed Jovanovski - Dion Phaneuf
Luke Schenn - Mike Komisarek
Keith Aulie - Carl Gunnarsson/Additional UFA signing

Tomas Vokoun/Ilya Bryzgalov
James Reimer​
 
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