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Leaf Rumours

There's a top twenty prospect and a top fifty prospect on that list coming to the Leafs in addition to a first round draft pick (albeit in a weak year) and a former top ten draft pick who has not had a lot of opportunities to succeed in an organization with considerable depth at his position.

You people need to stop smoking the crack if you think we'll do much better than that. And Bolland and Beauchemin's salaries match to boot.
 
That Hawks deal is some awful "five nickels for a quarter" type shit. We're giving up the three best players in the deal, and getting back a 3rd liner (who's not as good as the "3rd liner" we're giving up), a prospect that's not as good as Kadri, a bust, a low first round pick and a "B" prospect. No thanks.
 
IMO they are far better off keeping Kadri.

Also I don't have much interest in Bolland. I don't think he offers anything Bozak doesn't. Maybe if he were bigger, or better offensively. But he's just and expensive 2nd line center.

I'd deal them Beauch for Beach.
 
Artnes said:
If is the word that has to be focused and if by chance he does want to test the waters Burke has to leave his stubborn ways home that day and overpay to get him.

Obviously the trade route isn't working now and I don't see it changing for him anytime soon so if he wants that big fish he is gonna have to bring expensive bait.

Playing with 2nd an 3rd line centers will get us no where fast
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No, it definitely won't.

We need elite players. Signing Richards and Vokoun as free agents (and making sure to ice 11 or 12 NHL-calibre forwards) would stabilize us as a playoff team. That's the dream scenario -- costs you nothing in terms of player assets, and enormously upgrades your team immediately.

Short of that though, we're looking at a Phaneuf type scenario where there is a guy who might have big talent but the team in question can't or doesn't want to afford him. Probably an older guy. That's the more likely situation.
 
I think we have to start looking at big money players on struggling teams, like how Dallas got Richards in the first place.

Hemsky, Havlat, Spezza, Vanek. A guy like that is probably your best bet.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Sign Richards as a UFA in the off-season and throw the bank at him then.

-Trade Giguere for a third or fourth round draft pick at the deadline.
-Trade Brown or Orr for a fourth or fifth round draft pick.
-Add in the Hawks deal
-Sign a guy like Fleischmann for the top-line (something like 4 years, $20 million.
-Re-sign Kaberle or sign a guy like McCabe or Jovanovski to replace him in the off-season (to 2 years/$8 million type contracts) if/when Burke allows him to walk.
-Sign Tomas Vokoun or Ilya Bryzgalov to a mid-term deal for big dollars and trade Gustavsson to make room for Reimer. Call-up Scrivens from the ECHL and allow him and Rynnas to split AHL duties equally.

Roll a similar set-up to this next season:

Tomas Fleischmann - Brad Richards - Phil Kessel
Clarke MacArthur - Mikhail Grabovski - Nikolai Kulemin
Jeremy Morin - Dave Bolland - Kris Versteeg
Luca Caputi - Jack Skille - Kyle Beach

Colton Orr/Fredrik Sjostrom

Tomas Kaberle/Ed Jovanovski - Dion Phaneuf
Luke Schenn - Mike Komisarek
Keith Aulie - Carl Gunnarsson/Additional UFA signing

Tomas Vokoun/Ilya Bryzgalov
James Reimer​
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using pretty conservative figures for the goalie ($4mn) the top pair defender ($4mn), a new contract to schenn ($3mn), no raise for richards ($7mn) and a new contract to mac ($3mn).. that roster comes out to over $60mn.
 
I could see the Penguins being interested in a couple guys. How about Versteeg and Beauch for Goligoski and Tangradi?
 
Havalt is having a heck of a year...dont see him moving.

Spezza unlikely to be dealt in division

Vanek...see Spezza

Hemsky however....makes sense....Except BUrke probably hates him.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Bolland> Bozak.....one plays great tenacious defense....the other is Bozak
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I didn't say Bolland isn't better. I said he's not what the Leafs need. They already have Bozak. Who is going to be cheaper next year. Don't need to pay $4 million for a better defensive Bozak.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
There's a top twenty prospect and a top fifty prospect on that list coming to the Leafs in addition to a first round draft pick (albeit in a weak year) and a former top ten draft pick who has not had a lot of opportunities to succeed in an organization with considerable depth at his position.

You people need to stop smoking the crack if you think we'll do much better than that. And Bolland and Beauchemin's salaries match to boot.
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Labels are meaningless

Focusing on the futures in the trade alone:

We give up a 09 draftee currently scoring 1 ppg in the AHL

We get an 09 draftee currently scoring .55ppg in the AHL
We get an 08 draftee currently scoring .50ppg in the AHL
We get an 05 draftee currently scoring .35ppg in the NHL, who's best mark in the AHL was .78ppg
We get a mid round 1st (likely to be anywhere from 13th-20) in the shallowest draft in recent memory

Not a single one of these pieces profiles to be as good as the one we give up.

Quality > Quantity

We need top line talent, not depth talent, despite your ramblings in later posts about playing like Buffalo (who as has already been pointed to you, didn't do **** all until first line talent emerged). Why would we trade our best shot at developing top line talent, for a pile of maybe 2nd and 3rd line talent?
 
JaysCyYoung said:
There's a top twenty prospect and a top fifty prospect on that list coming to the Leafs in addition to a first round draft pick (albeit in a weak year) and a former top ten draft pick who has not had a lot of opportunities to succeed in an organization with considerable depth at his position.

You people need to stop smoking the crack if you think we'll do much better than that. And Bolland and Beauchemin's salaries match to boot.
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oh.. wow.. top twenty and top fifty prospects. awesome.

sorry, but the leafs need guys who can produce. this year should make that pretty ****ing obvious.

trading kadri, our only prospect with first line potential, for a collection of players with limited ceilings would be an enormous and unforgiveable mistake. even if all those guys pan out, and kadri never makes the nhl, it would be a mistake.

because the leafs need kadri a hell of a lot more than they need any of the crap in that proposed chicago trade.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Bolland> Bozak.....one plays great tenacious defense....the other is Bozak
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and that's great...but there's no reason to want a ~40 point centre with a significant injury history, locked in long term at 3.4 million dollars, who completely flopped this year at carrying a 2nd line on a good team.
 
I thought this was weird as I haven't heard of the rumour...

TSNBobMcKenzie Brian Burke on internet rumors of a SJ-TOR deal involving Joe Thornton: "I have never spoken to Doug Wilson on that. Total fabrication."
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