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MyNameIsJonas said:
I can still see Boston doing Wheeler and a 1st ( they're own) or Wheeler and Colburne.
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I can see it as well. Its actually a fair deal for Kaberle (with no extension in place). We get a big sized winger who can put up average numbers, and we get a mid to late round 1st.
 
I have to go to Tapo's in the near future and get the REAL reason why Kaberle is NOT loved by Burke. He, to me, plays hard every night. I have seen him play ten bad games in his entire tenure here. And he was still pretty good.

You know, if this team isn't already cursed for what went on in Ballards Bunker, then this inglorious treatment of Kaberle is going to solidify and strengthen it. The curse, that is.
 
teeds said:
I have to go to Tapo's in the near future and get the REAL reason why Kaberle is NOT loved by Burke. He, to me, plays hard every night. I have seen him play ten bad games in his entire tenure here. And he was still pretty good.

You know, if this team isn't already cursed for what went on in Ballards Bunker, then this inglorious treatment of Kaberle is going to solidify and strengthen it. The curse, that is.
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I could be way off on this but this is about ego. Burke loves to have a team thats all his, it seems he doesnt want players from the previous regime. If its not that, then I don't know what it is. Kaberle has been crapped on by both Wilson and Burke. Burke comes off as a hypocrite w/kaberle, it's ok for Burke to attempt to trade Kaberle when they're is a clause in his NTC, but he refuses to ask Kaberle to waive his NTC. If he really wants Kaberle here, then he shouldnt be playing these games. Either ask the guy to trade his NTC and deal him OR sit down with Kaberle/agent and hammer out an extension that works for both parties.
 
I think you are actually right on. But he inherited Keith Acton, as has EVERYONE else and embraced him, why not embrace a guy who plays at least as hard as the Sedins? Who might be as good at defence as the Sedins are at offence? And to me, is no less truculent than they are.

I dunno, I hope he gets traded to Detroit, Pittsburgh, Washington, Montreal or Vancouver, where he will flourish and be appreciated.

He might be the first jersey I EVER buy, WHEN he gets a new team.

My favourite players are Orr, Neely, Yzerman, Howe, Richard(never saw him play live)Gilmour and Kaberle. I pray we get a player of that Kalibre(deliberately mispelt) again.
 
msun30 said:
because not a lot of team have more than two 40+ point defenders.
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Dmen with 30+pt paces:

Philly (4): Pronger 49, Timonen 41, Carle 39, Meszaros 30
Detroit (3): Lidstrom 70, Rafalski 69, Kronwall 40
Anaheim (3): Visnovsky 69, Fowler 46, Lydman 33
Montreal (3): Winiewski 60, Hamrlik 37, Subban 35
Chicago (3): Keith 46, Seabrook 43, Campbell 40
Nashville (3): Weber 49, Suter 46, Franson 33
Florida (3): Wideman 42, McCabe 40, Kulikov 30
Atlanta (2): Enstrom 67, Byfuglien 65
Phoenix (2): Yandle 71, Aucoin 32
Colorado (2): Liles 57, Shattenkirk 56
Pittsburgh (2): Letang 67, Goligoski 43
Minnesota (2): Zidlicky 55, Burns 54
LosAngeles (2): Johnson 54, Doughty 49
Vancouver (2): Edler 54, Erhoff 49
Ottawa (2): Karlsson 48, Gonchar 35
Buffalo (2): Leopold 45, Myers 37
Carolina (2): Corvo 43, Pitkanen 38
Boston (2): Chara 43, Seidenberg 36
St.Louis (2): Pietrangelo 41, Colaiacovo 37
Washington (2): Green 41, Carlson 34
Calgary (2): Giordano 40, Babchuk 35
Dallas (2): Robidas 40, Daley 31
Rangers (2): Girardi 38, Staal 30
Tampa (2): Kubina 31, Hedman 31
Edmonton (1): Whitney 63
San Jose (1): Boyle 53
Toronto (1): Kaberle 50
Islanders (1): MacDonald 41
Columbus (1): Tyutin 33
NewJersey (1): Greene 30
 
Kaberle is anything but trucluent, and he's not the best in his own end. That being said the guy is extremely mobile, has this uncanny abiltity to do quick counter attacks, when he's on the ice and the puck is on his stick usually the puck is not hemmed in our own end for more then 10 seconds. He also is one of the better point producers in the league from the blueline. Burke preaches about how the leafs need to be this "puck pursuit aggressive" team, well in order for that to work, you need mobile defenders who can either a) skate the puck out of the zone b) set up quick attacks to the forwards. Kaberle excels in both those areas, it's mind bogglign that they are even thinking about trading this guy.
 
Pronger84 said:
I could be way off on this but this is about ego. Burke loves to have a team thats all his, it seems he doesnt want players from the previous regime. If its not that, then I don't know what it is. Kaberle has been crapped on by both Wilson and Burke. Burke comes off as a hypocrite w/kaberle, it's ok for Burke to attempt to trade Kaberle when they're is a clause in his NTC, but he refuses to ask Kaberle to waive his NTC. If he really wants Kaberle here, then he shouldnt be playing these games. Either ask the guy to trade his NTC and deal him OR sit down with Kaberle/agent and hammer out an extension that works for both parties.
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Burke, and Wilson's treatment of Kaberle is nothing worse than disgusting. Here is a player, drafted and developed by the organization, that has been a core player for years. THIS is the player that the team should be treating with respect. A player that wants to be a Leaf, and is willing to stay through the growing pains. And the fans adore Kaberle.

With good reason too.
 
thehabhater said:
Burke, and Wilson's treatment of Kaberle is nothing worse than disgusting. Here is a player, drafted and developed by the organization, that has been a core player for years. THIS is the player that the team should be treating with respect. A player that wants to be a Leaf, and is willing to stay through the growing pains. And the fans adore Kaberle.

With good reason too.
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Agreed 100%. Burke is basically trying to kick him out of town (he sent all 29 teams a memo saying Kabs is on the market), yet hides behind his absurd code of honor about being loyal to Kaberle by respecting his NTC. Well, Burke you can't have it both ways, either your loyal to a guy and you have the guts to try and re-ink him OR you have the guts to be honest to him about wanting to trade him. Wilson treats him like s_t as well, first by removing his "a'' and then he gives that joke Beauchimen more ice time then he does Kaberle. Kaberle deserves much better then the treatment he's getting here.
 
I was never a big fan of Pat Quinn, but Quinn would never have treated Kaberle like this. Of course, Burke will be more than happy to tell you why he should be treating Giguire with the respect that he deserves...
 
Jovo Cop anyone? He's improved defensively substantially over the past few years and isn't as much of a giveaway machine as he was during his Canucks day.
 
I will get to the bottom of this, but its most likely exactly as has been said by Pronger, he is not inherited by Fred and Barney.

You know, Burke is starting to resemble Ballard more every day for me. I mean Ballard had the balls to trade Mcdonald(who was a poor mans Ovechkin) and diminish Darryl Sittler, who if he hadn't been a Leaf, might have been a top five player in the NHL.

I STILL don't think Leaf fans believe that Fred will let go of Kaberle for nothing. But my MLSE guy says its a fait accompli. The mooch in me, the fan me, the dreamer in me, can scarcely come to grips with that.
 
teeds said:
I will get to the bottom of this, but its most likely exactly as has been said by Pronger, he is not inherited by Fred and Barney.

You know, Burke is starting to resemble Ballard more every day for me. I mean Ballard had the balls to trade Mcdonald(who was a poor mans Ovechkin) and diminish Darryl Sittler, who if he hadn't been a Leaf, might have been a top five player in the NHL.

I STILL don't think Leaf fans believe that Fred will let go of Kaberle for nothing. But my MLSE guy says its a fait accompli. The mooch in me, the fan me, the dreamer in me, can scarcely come to grips with that.
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That was Imlach's move. Ballard actually was against the move. (MacDonald was one of his favorite players.)
 
zeke said:
Dmen with 30+pt paces:

Philly (4): Pronger 49, Timonen 41, Carle 39, Meszaros 30
Detroit (3): Lidstrom 70, Rafalski 69, Kronwall 40
Anaheim (3): Visnovsky 69, Fowler 46, Lydman 33
Montreal (3): Winiewski 60, Hamrlik 37, Subban 35
Chicago (3): Keith 46, Seabrook 43, Campbell 40
Nashville (3): Weber 49, Suter 46, Franson 33
Florida (3): Wideman 42, McCabe 40, Kulikov 30
Atlanta (2): Enstrom 67, Byfuglien 65
Phoenix (2): Yandle 71, Aucoin 32
Colorado (2): Liles 57, Shattenkirk 56
Pittsburgh (2): Letang 67, Goligoski 43
Minnesota (2): Zidlicky 55, Burns 54
LosAngeles (2): Johnson 54, Doughty 49
Vancouver (2): Edler 54, Erhoff 49
Ottawa (2): Karlsson 48, Gonchar 35
Buffalo (2): Leopold 45, Myers 37
Carolina (2): Corvo 43, Pitkanen 38
Boston (2): Chara 43, Seidenberg 36
St.Louis (2): Pietrangelo 41, Colaiacovo 37
Washington (2): Green 41, Carlson 34
Calgary (2): Giordano 40, Babchuk 35
Dallas (2): Robidas 40, Daley 31
Rangers (2): Girardi 38, Staal 30
Tampa (2): Kubina 31, Hedman 31
Edmonton (1): Whitney 63
San Jose (1): Boyle 53
Toronto (1): Kaberle 50
Islanders (1): MacDonald 41
Columbus (1): Tyutin 33
NewJersey (1): Greene 30
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exactly. only two teams have 3 guys on pace for 40 or more points, and in both cases the third guy is on pace for exactly 40.

it's a pretty tough feat to accomplish. and says a lot more about the quality of the team's forwards than the offensive capabilities of its defenders, imo.
 
BG said:
Giggy won Burke a Cup, of course he gets a ton of respect from the guy.
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I get why Burke has respect for Giggy. Giguere is a classy guy, one of the hardest workers, plus he and Burke are good friends off the ice apparantly. This inlies Burke's problem is inability to seperate friendship from business. He did the same thing with Wilson (wont' fire him, simply because they're good friends off the ice), and it's the same here, he feels like it would be disloyal to gigeure to even consider asking him to waive. Burke should learn that the needs of the players are secondary to the needs of the team. I have no issue with Burke keeping Giguere, but it needs to be because its for the good of the team, not whats necessairly good for Gigeure.
 
thehabhater said:
What has Giggy done for Toronto?
Now compare that to Kaberle's contribution over the years.
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Why do I feel like if we were talking about any other player on the team, that you'd make a remark about how regardless of his contributions that we're still a lottery team....
 
Pronger84 said:
I get why Burke has respect for Giggy. Giguere is a classy guy, one of the hardest workers, plus he and Burke are good friends off the ice apparantly. This inlies Burke's problem is inability to seperate friendship from business. He did the same thing with Wilson (wont' fire him, simply because they're good friends off the ice), and it's the same here, he feels like it would be disloyal to gigeure to even consider asking him to waive. Burke should learn that the needs of the players are secondary to the needs of the team. I have no issue with Burke keeping Giguere, but it needs to be because its for the good of the team, not whats necessairly good for Gigeure.
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Giggy at sub 2 million is a fair deal. Anything above that.....no.
 
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