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thehabhater said:
Giggy at sub 2 million is a fair deal. Anything above that.....no.
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Yup sounds reasonable. However, I really think one of Giguere or the monster needs to go. Guys like Reimer/Scrivens/Rynass need a shot too. I'd be fine with a combination of Giggy/Reimer OR Riemer/Gustavsson. But one of the two G's has to go.
 
BG said:
Why do I feel like if we were talking about any other player on the team, that you'd make a remark about how regardless of his contributions that we're still a lottery team....
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Kaberle was a huge contributor to the 1999 - 2004 playoff runs. He has earned the respect for what he has done here in Toronto. (Same as Krusty in Ottawa. Even as both teams sit as lottery teams.)
 
Kabs is a HUGE producer when he's surrounded by talent, no doubt.

Roberts - Sundin - Mogilny/Nolan
Ponikarovsky - Niewendyk - Antropov
Tucker - Reichel - Renberg
Stajan - Fitzgerald/Francis - Domi
 
thehabhater said:
Kaberle was a huge contributor to the 1999 - 2004 playoff runs. He has earned the respect for what he has done here in Toronto. (Same as Krusty in Ottawa. Even as both teams sit as lottery teams.)
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Brad Richards won a Conn Smythe in 2004 when Tampa won the Cup. The year they were bottoming out, he was asked to and did waive a No Trade to go to Dallas. That year the Bolts drafted Steven Stamkos.

This "woe is me" crap with Kaberle has to stop. He's an adult, this is a business where people get traded General Managers routinely ask for No Trade Clauses to be waived. These are in no way special or extraordinary treatment. Some of the talk on this thread would have him half a martyr already.
 
BG said:
Kabs is a HUGE producer when he's surrounded by talent, no doubt.

Roberts - Sundin - Mogilny/Nolan
Ponikarovsky - Niewendyk - Antropov
Tucker - Reichel - Renberg
Stajan - Fitzgerald/Francis - Domi
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Kaberle has played well as a Leaf in good times and bad. He has the tenure with the club to be worthy of being treated with respect.
(Seeing that he is the last current Leaf that played at MLG.....)

To suggest that he was a huge producer only because he was surrounded by "talent" is both erronious and unfair.
 
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The difference between Kabby getting shown respect, and Giggy getting shown respect is Kabby is still really good, and Giggy has sucked balls for 3 years.

Showing Kaberle respect doesn't hurt the team.
 
IrishWolfman said:
Brad Richards won a Conn Smythe in 2004 when Tampa won the Cup. The year they were bottoming out, he was asked to and did waive a No Trade to go to Dallas. That year the Bolts drafted Steven Stamkos.

This "woe is me" crap with Kaberle has to stop. He's an adult, this is a business where people get traded General Managers routinely ask for No Trade Clauses to be waived. These are in no way special or extraordinary treatment. Some of the talk on this thread would have him half a martyr already.
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Burke has already stated that he will not ask him to waive. He has stated this repeatedly.
 
Thats the thing, he's playing a game of double standards with Kaberle. He feels its "dishonarble" to request he move his NTC, yet its OK to attempt to trade him when theres a freeze in his clause. If Burke wants him gone and it helps the team in the long run, then he needs to man up and ask Kaberle to waive. He's basically lying to Kaberle, and thats disrespectful in my eyes.
 
Kaberle turned Darcy Tucker into a feared power play weapon.

Yes, that Darcy Tucker. That's how good Tomas Kaberle is.
 
MindzEye said:
Kaberle turned Darcy Tucker into a feared power play weapon.

Yes, that Darcy Tucker. That's how good Tomas Kaberle is.
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I'd also argue Sundin was just as if not more responsible for Tucker's success. Sundin was the one to feed Tucker with those beauty cross feeder's that Tucker converted on.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Jovo Cop anyone? He's improved defensively substantially over the past few years and isn't as much of a giveaway machine as he was during his Canucks day.
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he's a defensive defenseman at this point - and I'm not sure he's that good defensively, either.
 
If you look at in that sense yes but the initial passes themselves were fed by kabs. Because the two biggest threats on the ice were covered it left him wide own but some of those feeds were pretty sweet passes regardless
 
K back up. Kaberle made Tucker now? Come on guys give me a break. Thats the same old BS "Savard made Kessel" "Kovalchuk made Savard". Thats nonsense.
 
Obviously hockey in the NHL, a horrible league in my opinion, is a BUSINESS. But even in business, one can honour an exceptional employee. To see the way Komisarek, Giguere et al are feted by Fred and Barney, is, well, do you SEE BeLeafer around here any more?

A great poster has taken a stand. In fact, he has taken such a hard stand, that he hasn't sent anyone a pm explaining his actions. I admire him for it. I will say, that I have this toxic fandom in my bones, dna and blood. Its like a dysfunctional brother or cousin.

But Barney and Fred, in their treatment of the Leafs greatest dman of the past 25 years is DISGUSTING, in my opinion.
 
Corky27 said:
K back up. Kaberle made Tucker now? Come on guys give me a break. Thats the same old BS "Savard made Kessel" "Kovalchuk made Savard". Thats nonsense.
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Its not really. For 2 years Tucker scored an insane percentage of his inflated goal total on the exact same play.

He did the job finishing it off, for sure, but couldn't (and didn't) score that many goals without those opportunities created by the other guys on the ice.
 
teeds said:
Obviously hockey in the NHL, a horrible league in my opinion, is a BUSINESS. But even in business, one can honour an exceptional employee. To see the way Komisarek, Giguere et al are feted by Fred and Barney, is, well, do you SEE BeLeafer around here any more?

A great poster has taken a stand. In fact, he has taken such a hard stand, that he hasn't sent anyone a pm explaining his actions. I admire him for it. I will say, that I have this toxic fandom in my bones, dna and blood. Its like a dysfunctional brother or cousin.

But Barney and Fred, in their treatment of the Leafs greatest dman of the past 25 years is DISGUSTING, in my opinion.
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And for some sick reason this poor guy actually WANTS to stay in T.O! Seems he has the same toxic fandom that we all have. A real sucker for punishment. If Kabs does move on I really hope he does well, say what you will about his shortcomings but this guy is as classy as they come.
 
At what he is being paid, what shortcomings though? I think he is good defensively. And he quarterbacks the ice almost as well as Niedemeyer did. Not as fast, but just as slick. How can a shitty team like us, treat him like the way Komisarek should be treated?

I think most people are like me. They don't really believe that Fred is that stupid.
 
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