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teeds said:
Well out of general respect for Doug, no one really talks about it. But it is significant. I mean he was a god here. I hung with him, he was treated like the pope. But still left. Course his foot problems had brought his game down to a human level.
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people were too busy boo'ing larry murphy and hating on mats
 
Metalleaf said:
I don't like the idea of trading Versteeg, at 24 he's more of an answer to our problems than trading him would be.
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not so sure about that. versteeg's a solid player but he's just a second liner. the question, imo, is whether you like him or macarthur more. pick one and trade the other. this team needs size in the top six both up the middle and on the wing. kulemin is the only guy who brings a bit of size. kessel's your ace.

macarthur, imo, is just a better player than versteeg. he's chippier. he's smarter. he seems to be able to work with just about anybody whereas versteeg seems best suited to being allowed to hog the puck with a couple of muckers. i like that versteeg can give them a dangerous third line and has a decent point shot on the pp. but he isn't as much of a weapon as phaneuf used to be. and if this team is going to have any sort of success phaneuf is going to need to get back on to that top unit and produce.

i know it's all rumour and speculation but versteeg has made enough comments and there have been sufficient rumblings to indicate that he isn't particularly crazy about playing in this city.

he's also young enough, and has a good enough reputation to net a decent return. use him to get a banger, or a centre.
 
pavelski isn't ideal because they need size and he doesn't bring it. having said that he would immediately be this team's best centre. he would open some interesting possibilities with grabo, who could be used in a deal.
 
I'd look at flipping Versteeg for someone to play with Kessel. How about Versteeg/Beauch for Thornton?
 
zeke said:
versteeg for pavelski one-up would be fair.
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But why bother? I think I actually like Versteeg's upside more.

Lamebrain move all around. The guy has proven he can score, he can play the point on the PP, he's young, he's relatively inexpensive, a good team guy. I mean, why is he even on Burke's radar?
 
If it comes down to it and I had to choose between Versteeg and Mac, handsdown I'd trade Mac. Vesteeg is a legit/proven player, who can play a variety of roles (he can score, he can make plays, he can play the point on the PP, he can chip in on the PK, and he has some grit to his game). Mac IMO is a one hit year wonder, and will likely fade back to a 35-45pt player next year, I'd have no problem trading him now while his value is at an all time peak.
 
MacArthur was always projected to be this type of player, which is why he ended up with a slot on the greatest junior hockey team ever assembled. His production should come as no surprise to anyone who pays attention to non-NHL hockey at all.
 
zeke said:
I wouldn't expect any more from Pavelski than Grabo's giving us right now.
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pavelski's been doing it for three years. grabovski's done it for 2 months.

and i'd still say he's an upgrade.... grabovski has rounded out his game fantastically, but he is still prone to dumb plays over the bluelines. far less prone than he used to be, but he's still losing the puck fairly regularly. pavelski's also definitely better on his side of the ice. and at worst, his equal offensively.
 
versteeg and beauch for pavelski and clowe

works for both teams. sj is still big up front without clowe, beauch gives them a guy who is accustomed to playing 25 minutes beside all star defenders. gives a team looking to break through 2 stanley cup winners in the room.

gives us the big body and talented centre to play with kessel....immediately gives us a legit top 6 at reasonable cap levels. clears the way (and salary) to make re signing kaberle a no brainer (if it wasnt already)
 
versteeg and beauch for pavelski and clowe

works for both teams. sj is still big up front without clowe, beauch gives them a guy who is accustomed to playing 25 minutes beside all star defenders. gives a team looking to break through 2 stanley cup winners in the room.

gives us the big body and talented centre to play with kessel....immediately gives us a legit top 6 at reasonable cap levels. clears the way (and salary) to make re signing kaberle a no brainer (if it wasnt already)
 
No way SJ goes for that, Mindzeye.

Clowe would be an ideal target. If Leafs moved Kaberle for Clowe, that would be more realistic only because Kaberle is a UFA soon.
 
it's 2 50-60 pt forwards for a 50-60 pt forward and one of the better "robin" (as opposed to batman) type defenders in the league. both from our side briniging stanley cup experience with them.

additional picks or prospects may have to ve involved, but the difference in value there isnt even close to the point where one can say sj wouldnt be interested in a deal structured around that
 
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